Philadunkia 4on4: Draft Edition

Posted by: Philadunkia
05/22/14 12:54 pm EST

052014-sixers-three-600It’s time for the 2014 NBA Draft edition of Philadunkia’s 4on4…

As a reminder, this Philadunkia question and answer series is “loosely based” on ESPN.com’s highly successful, NBA related series of posts titled “5on5″.  Our version of this genre of posts will ask 4 Philadunkia scribes to answer 4 topical, hot button questions about our Philadelphia 76ers.

Now you’re probably asking, “Why not simply stick with the “5on5″ format that ESPN.com uses?” 

Well as any great hoops coach will tell you — playing 4on4 is the best way to truly learn the game of basketball.

Philadunkia scribes Jeff McMenamin, Carey Smith, Michael Kaskey-Blomain and Steve Toll will examine four key questions surrounding the 2014 NBA Draft for our 76ers, after the jump…

With the No. 3 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia Sixers select…?

McMenamin:  If Andrew Wiggins or Jabari Parker are available, I think one of them needs to be selected here. Otherwise, my pick is for Kentucky’s Julius Randle. I’m well aware that every analyst has their eyes set on seven footer Joel Embiid, but he just doesn’t fit the Sixers as they’re currently constructed right now.

Thaddeus Young is likely to get traded before the start of next season (possibly even on draft night) so the Sixers need to find a power forward for the future. I’m not sold that Embiid and Noel can coexist, kind of like how Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe couldn’t coexist in Detroit or Dwight Howard and Omer Asik in Houston, so the Sixers shouldn’t make a selection strictly on talent alone. If the Sixers trade Noel in the process of selecting Embiid then I’m fine with it, but I think Randle’s more of a fit for the team right now.

Smith:  I take whichever player is left out of Wiggins, Embiid and Parker. According to everything I’ve read online and every scout/front office person I talk/text with, those three have separated themselves from the rest of this prospect class. I think Parker will be the last man in the green room out of those three, which has me a little stressed because I’m not a big fan of Duke guys and their ability to star in the NBA.

Kaskey-Blomain: The Sixers’ selection at the third spot is dictated by the previous picks. Obviously, if Andrew Wiggins is available, he is the guy. It seems somewhat unlikely that Wiggins will drop down to third overall however, as both the Cavs and Bucks have expressed interest.

If Wiggins isn’t available, then you go Parker. The Sixers need to secure a scorer, as a premier perimeter player is something that they have been desperately missing on the offensive end. So in short, if Wiggins is available, that is who the SIxers should select. If he’s gone, Jabari Parker isn’t a bad second option.

Toll:  Whomever is left between Embiid, Wiggins and Parker. Plain and simple. 

Do you think the Cavs are open to the idea of trading the top pick? If so, what would the Sixers have to give up in order to get it?

McMenamin:  According to ESPN, calls have already been rolling in about the No. 1 pick in Cleveland. General manager David Griffin stated that, “I’d trade me if it made us better…We’re going to be open-minded to whatever it is that advances our cause the furthest.”

If getting the No. 1 pick from Cleveland means landing Andrew Wiggins, I think the Sixers should definitely be throwing their best offer towards Cleveland. It’s widely viewed by analysts and experts that the Cavs are aiming towards taking Joel Embiid with the first pick in the draft. If the Sixers package the No. 3 pick, a future first rounder and Thad to Cleveland, it might be enough for the Cavs to bite. Although with the Bucks selecting at No. 2, the Cavs might not feel so secure that their big man will still be around by pick No. 3. 

Smith:  I believe the owner has already dropped hints that his franchise is willing to listen to offers for the No. 1 overall pick, so yes I believe they are open to that idea. I think Hinkie could steal the No. 1 pick in draft from Cleveland for the No. 3 selection this year, a lottery protected 1st round selection in 2015 and Thad. No one loves Thad more than I do, but that’s a deal I would green light fairly quickly. The question is would Cleveland take Thad and his contract ($9.4 mil next year and ETO $9.9 mil in 2015-16) which is strongly disliked by the League’s front office types.

Kaskey-Blomain: I’d be surprised if the Cavs traded the top pick, but after selecting Anthony Bennett first overall last year, who knows what they are going to do. Dion Waiters isn’t a legitimate reason to pass up on a promising prospect like Wiggins or Parker, and you have to think that the Cavs will see something they like in this deep draft class. They need a post presence, and they need perimeter scoring and they could get either with the first pick. Unless they can hit a home run with a trade, I expect them to keep the pick.

With that being said, I don’t see anything that the Sixers could offer them that would be too enticing. Outside of picks, the only player that could really offer is Thaddeus Young, and it seems pretty clear that the Cavs are looking for more proven, top-tier talent.

Toll:  Cleveland is already fielding calls for the No. 1 pick.  I’d be willing to trade Thad, MCW, Noel, No. 3 and No. 10 for Embiid.  If you can get a guy with HOF level tools at center, you do anything and everything to get him in the draft.  With that being said, Jahill Okafor and Karl Towns (both high school seniors) might be better prospects than Embiid in the eyes of Sam Hinkie and in that case, trading everything for Embiid might not make sense.

If Wiggins and Parker are off the board before the Sixers pick, would it be worth trying to package picks to the Timberwolves in a trade for Kevin Love?

McMenamin: Do I think that Kevin Love would be a great fit at power forward for this team? Yes. But, the only way I do this deal is if the Timberwolves take our bad contracts in exchange for Love’s. That means a trade of our No. 3 and No. 10 picks as well as Thaddeus Young and Jason Richardson for Kevin Love, Kevin Martin and a future first rounder. It works in the trade machine.

This totally goes against Sam Hinkie’s plan and would never happen in reality, but the pairing of Noel and Love in the paint would be a very solid duo for the future. Kevin Martin would also serve as a serviceable starting shooting guard for the next few years. He averaged 19.1 points last season with 115 three pointers. He’d be a welcome addition on the perimeter.

Should they make this trade? Probably not, but it’s at least interesting to think about.

Smith:  No. Absolutely not. I do not think it would be worth trading for Kevin Love, but that opinion has nothing to do with Love’s skill set or playing ability. Adding an all-star level veteran this summer does not fit the rebuilding plan here in Philadelphia and I want to stick to the Hinkie-plan. Additionally, it seems clear to me that Love wants to play for a title contender or be shipped home to Los Angeles. This last thing I want for this Sixers rebuild is a grumpy veteran mucking up the vibe in locker room. 

Kaskey-Blomain:  I don’t really see Kevin Love fitting in with the future of the Sixers’ franchise. I do, however see someone like Julius Randle or Dante Exum developing very nicely alongside Michael Carter-Williams, Nerlens Noel, and whoever else the Sixers select at No. 10.

Obviously, we want Wiggins or Parker, but if they are both gone, I wouldn’t panic. I would overlook Embiid, as I have some concerns about him, and focus on either Randle or Exum at the third spot. Both have potential to be prolific NBA players, and could greatly contribute to the Sixers’ rebuild.

Toll:  NO!  If Embiid is available at No. 3, the 76ers have won the draft and here’s why…

Let’s assume that Thad is traded for Phoenix’s No. 14 pick this year, Moultrie’s option isn’t picked up for 15-16 and all the 2nd round picks get cut during summer league/next offseason. The 2015-2016 salary cap is projected to be $66.5 million.  Embiid, Noel, MCW, Wroten and the N0. 10/No. 14 picks will be ~$17,100,000.

Now, lets factor in the 2015 lottery pick at No. 3 for all intents and purposes.  That will have the 76ers at ~$20.7 million in salary and give the team over $45 million in cap space.  Enough for Kevin Love to sign a 4-year MAX deal, plus the Sixers would still have $29 million more to spend on free agents.  The goal is to make the team as attractive as possible before the start of 2015 free agency, patience is a virtue.

Which player at the top of the draft boards do you see potentially slipping to the Sixers at No. 10? 

McMenamin: It’s Julius Randle that I’ve seen fall the most in analysts eyes in recent weeks, but I believe the Sixers may have themselves an outside shot at Marcus Smart at No. 10 on draft night.

Smart comes in at No. 7 on the majority of draft boards, but I believe that scouts may look at his size as a knock on him by the time draft day comes. He’s listed as a point guard, but plays like a shooting guard. He’s a great defender and rebounder and makes good decisions when the ball is in his hands. But with players like Aaron Gordon, Noah Vonleh, Doug McDermott and James Young gaining hype, I think Smart could be one of the ones to fall by draft night.

Smith:  I think it will be Julius Randle that slips to the 76ers at No. 10.

SI.com has Randle going No. 7 to the Lakers and I have already seen him as low as No. 11 in Yahoo’s Marc Spears’ mock draft. My point is that the former top 3-4 pick is trending down and hard. That’s fine by me as if he is available at No. 10 and the SGs (James Young and/or Nik Stauskas) I desperately want for the Sixers are gone, then I’d gladly take a 6-foot-9, 240 pound PF with a 7-foot wingspan and a nice post game.

Kaskey-Blomain:  Not so much a slip as a reach, but I really wouldn’t mind seeing the Sixers end up with James Young from Kentucky at that No. 10 spot.

Young has excellent size for a shooting guard, and is excellent on offense, and improving. He can knock down shots both off the catch and off the dribble, and he is great in the open court, something that is important to Brett Brown. He would benefit from playing alongside Carter-Williams in the backcourt, as Carter-Williams could find him opportunities to knock down jumpers. A potential lineup of: Carter-Williams, Young, Parker, T. Young, Noel looks pretty impressive on paper, and with a scenario like that I would consider the draft an enormous success.

Toll:  I think the best player available at No. 10 will be Kyle Anderson, who could put up numbers similar to peak Boris Diaw but with better defense.  I really don’t think their will be any major falls in this draft or any real surprises except if Doug McDermott is a lottery pick.

Jeff McMenamin is a scribe for Philadunkia.  You can follow him on Twitter @Sixersblog.

Michael Kaskey-Blomain is a scribe for Philadunkia.  You can follow him on Twitter @therealmikeKB.

Steve Toll is a scribe for Philadunkia.  You can follow him on Twitter @BasementGM.

You can follow us on Twitter @philadunkia.

 


 
 
 

23 Responses to “Philadunkia 4on4: Draft Edition”

  1. Tony
    22. May 2014 at 13:11

    Let’s say Embiid is left at #3 but Hinkie wants a scorer or PF instead of a 7-footer. Does anyone think it would be possible to swap spots backwards in the first round with another team in the top 10 that really likes Embiid? Sixers would also need to get the other team’s 2015 first-round pick (unprotected).

  2. JC
    22. May 2014 at 15:38

    Wait, did Toll seriously say he would trade MCW, Noel, #3 and #10 for Embiid? 4 players with talent for one prospect with a questionable injury history?

  3. Tom
    22. May 2014 at 16:28

    First time commenting JUST to say that Toll is a retard in the highest degree. Not only is the dude a pompous jerk, but he clearly doesn’t know squat if he’d give up our entire team to get one center with a bad back. Wiggins also has a HOF ceiling, and one could argue that Parker does, as well.

  4. Brennan
    22. May 2014 at 17:59

    Steve toll is on some really good drugs man smh to give up Noel Carter-williams and our top picks is lunacy. I’m not trusting the future of my franchise to a big with potential and a bad back.

  5. T. Martin
    22. May 2014 at 20:38

    Nobody asked me but here’s my four step plan to make the Sixers title contenders sooner rather than later.
    1) Trade Jason Richardson and Moultrie to OKC for Kendrick Perkins. They’re all overpaid but at least Perkins can teach/protect Noel and add some toughness to the front court.
    2) Trade Thad, this year’s #3 and next years 1st rounder to Minny for Kevin Love and #13. Let them decide whether to roll the dice with Embiid’s back or Randle’s cabeza.
    3) Then once we have those two on board along with MCW and Noel Hinkies can go shopping. I firmly believe that the way to sell FAs on coming to Philly is to bring in two guys simultaneously rather than anointing or putting all the pressure on one dude as a savior. The two guys I want? Greg Monroe and Lance Stephenson.
    4) Draft Aaron Gordon at 10 and Rodney Hood at 13. Second rounders, admittedly it’s highly unlikely that Hink-Meister keeps all five but here goes anyway, Cleanthony Early, DeAndre Daniels, Nick Johnson, Cory Jefferson and DeAndre “Big Daddy” Kane.

    Here’s your new depth chart:
    PG – MCW, Wroten & BDK
    SG – Lance, Hood & Nick Johnson
    SF – A. Gordon, Cleanthony & Double D
    PF – Love, Perkins & Cory Jefferson
    C – Monroe, Noel & Sims

    Is this all likely? Hell no!
    Is it all possible? Yes.
    Would this team be fun to watch? For a long time.

  6. Bill
    22. May 2014 at 22:17

    The last time our Sixers were champions the city watched Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney, Caldwell Jones/Bobby Jones, Moses Malone, and Julius Erving.

    If we draft Joel Embid and Nick Stauskas, we have MCW, Stauskas, Nerins Noel/Thad Young and Embid. The 4/5′s of this team resembles the NBA champs in my opinion if all goes well. The missing link would be to find a player who resembles Julius Erving who did not have the shot with the Sixers that he once had while in the ABA with the nets; though devastating on the fastbreak. A fast breaking small forward would compliment a devastating frontcourt very well.

    The new Sixers will have the makings of something special; with plenty of cap space to fit the missing ingredients.

  7. steve toll
    22. May 2014 at 22:58

    Tony,
    Lot’s of teams would love to make a trade for Embiid at #3 if Hinkie makes him available.

    JC,
    I’d also give up Thad too

    Tom,
    Clearly, you have put me in my place, Daddy. BUT seriously! if you want to insult me, do it properly. You should have referred to me as “profoundly retarded”, it is the medically correct term for what you were trying to call me and it just sounds better than “retard in the highest degree”

    I do have 1 question, How long have you been a Philadunkia reader?

    Brennan,
    Unfortunately for 76ers fans, I am not the GM. Fortunately for 76ers fans, neither are you

    T. Martin,
    Well, I like your enthusiasm

  8. Joe c
    23. May 2014 at 00:29

    People, please stop dreaming Kevin Love is not comin to the Philly. Do we even have a 1st rd pick in 2015?? I swore we gave it up in a trade a while back. I think we get stuck wit Parker, which scares me a little….how many superstars come out of duke?? Mostly role players battier, Elton brand, dunleavy, laetner, etc….granted Kylie Irving is solid but I’m still not sold (grant hill was great pre-injuries) it’ll be interesting, I’m very anxious/excited for the draft.

  9. Richard
    23. May 2014 at 01:35

    People need to calm down about Embiid’s back. It is being blown out of proportion. There has not been anything that suggests it is a major concern. The Sixers would be lucky if he fell to them.

  10. johnny W
    23. May 2014 at 03:51

    Fellas let’s be mindful about the notion of trading away our 10th pick to move up to first pick or packaging THAD with someone. Keep in mind we may only forward six or so players from last year’s team making our 2014 squad. What I’m getting at is QUANTITY of NBA level players to complete our NBA roster, we can ill afford two for one swaps when we are still not close to 15 eligible slots. In my mind we need NUMBERS all fitting Hinkiemonter’s mold first!

    So we make this 2014 Draft HAUL and then seek out the QUALITY players. We have choices finally…and POWER IN NUMBERS. jw

  11. Brennan
    23. May 2014 at 09:42

    Steve your deal makes no sense for any fan or GM. To give up a load of talent for a player your praying to god stays healthy and isn’t a bust is just plain stupid on all levels.

  12. steve toll
    23. May 2014 at 10:35

    Bill,
    That sure is an optimistic point of view.

    Joe C,
    On KLOVE, that is your opinion. The 2015 pick is lottery protected. Elton Brand was AWESOME, his first 8 years in the league; http://bkref.com/tiny/KFCrP

    Richard,
    +1

    JohnnyW,
    You realize that teams only dress 12 players and as you get deeper into the playoffs teams only use 8/9 man rotations with the top 6 getting a majority of minutes?

    Brennan,
    What is this “load of talent” you speak of? I must have missed it during this last campaign where the team went 19-63.
    EVERY TEAM PRAYS THAT ALL THEIR PLAYERS STAY HEALTHY AND AREN’T BUSTS.

    Give me shot at a potential All-NBA/HOF level C in the draft and I’ll take a shot at it every f@#$ing time.

    Disagree all you want

  13. johnny
    23. May 2014 at 21:37

    Yep for the longest time team’s carried 12 player rosters…But I believe recently it’s been expanded to 15 for when players are on the injury list or suspended or what have you. I may have this wrong…not sure…yes some teams come playoff time go to a strict eight man rotation but I’d rather be 12 or 15 strong so when your number is called you can play well enough to contribute.

    Also can never have enough healthy NBA level players to fill in…create a pipeline so to speak of talent. Like the ESPN sports show “Numbers never lie” jw

  14. johnny W
    24. May 2014 at 02:15

    Fans, here is who I have going forward making our 2014 Sixers Team. MCW, Thad, Noel Norlens, Henry Sims, Tony Wroten, Jason Richardson, James Anderson, Hollis Thompson. Am I forgetting anybody worthy? lol Oh yah I’m over Moultrie, so I show EIGHT…now if we can haul in TWO starters and like a couple of role players in this year’s draft I’ll be happy. At least we getting closer to fielding a full team.

    Oh yah, to answer a question from another comment…I think in the beginning of the year we decided to pick Wroten’s option year and unfortunately we picked up Moultries too.

    Sixer’s can never be deep enough on NBA level players…trust me a team like the Spurs have players on speed-dial not on their roster who would spank most of our guys. lol jw

  15. Tom
    25. May 2014 at 11:46

    Steve, I’ve been reading on and off for over a year. I wasn’t going for medical correctness, as I was attempting to call you a retard, not diagnose you with a medical disease.

    You mess up the site’s credibility with some of the outlandish crap you say, man. Just read you somewhere else saying Marcus Smart is the draft’s best player!

    I didn’t want to fall into the overdone act of telling you off, but damn it dude. Just damn it… Do you do what you do on to get a rise out of the community, or is your thinking really that eschewed from everyone else’s?

  16. steve toll
    27. May 2014 at 11:56

    Tom,

    Truthfully, I haven’t written much the past year because it has been filled with so much abject failure and disillusioned fandom by the people of Philadelphia.

    Marcus Smart WAS the best player in cbball last year AND it wasn’t even close. He is certainly the favorite to be ROY.

    I don’t care if I get a rise out of people, that happens because I say things people don’t understand and often turn out to be correct because my acumen as it pertains to the NBA is elite.

    For example, when I said Vucevic was more valuable than Bynum after the trade and Iggy >>>>>> Bynum; PEOPLE WENT CRAZY.

    When I was calling DC a terrible head coach during the the 2012 season, I was mocked incessantly.

    Said that Thad > Jrue and Meeks+Lou > Jrue+ET and was called a blind idiot that didn’t watch enough basketball.

    You know what happened to all the people who ridiculed me? They just went away because thats what happens on the internet. If I was some idiot, all these people and I can tell you there WERE A TON…… would still be around and taking a shot at me any chance they could. But they are defeated and hiding out.

    Most people don’t call me an idiot anymore, they just call me arrogant and a jerk. It’s no longer about my bball knowledge, it’s about my attitude and I’m fine with that.

    Stay tuned because I’ll soon be done a piece about the total failure of this season and the fraud that is Sam Hinkie

  17. johnny
    27. May 2014 at 17:56

    Let’s guard against any thoughts about trading back in the draft with our 3rd pick!!! I just had a recollection when the SIXERS did this in the past…think we traded back a 3rd to a 5th back in the eighties sometime (dating my fandom again)with Golden State…basically we switched shooting guards, seemed to be no big thing at the time. Anyways we wound up with Hersey Hawkins for like a decade…

    Oh yeah and that other guy whom Golden State Warriors got in the deal. MITCH RICHMOND! jw

  18. LarryM
    27. May 2014 at 19:17

    Steve is being Steve, and of course his proposed trades are beyond absurd. He likely knows that – I hope so for his sake.

    But he’s not really wrong about Embiid,assuming his medicals check out. If he somehow falls to the Sixers, they need to take him. He’s the one guy out there who could become a franchise cornerstone.

  19. Brennan
    29. May 2014 at 13:22

    Steve I don’t disagree with the thought of taking embodied, I watched him in college and he has shown flashes. I’m saying that I wouldn’t give up what you proposed for him that all.

  20. Joe
    30. May 2014 at 04:18

    Steve Toll,

    I can only speak for myself, but the reason I rarely comment on what you write anymore is that you’ve actually gotten worse at what you do.

    In the past you’d say “Player X sucks” and then regurgitate his advanced metrics to support your argument, but now you don’t even do that. All you have to say for yourself is “Hinkie sucks”, “MCW isn’t an NBA player”, etc. but there’s very little by way of analysis from you so it really isn’t worth my time to argue with you.

    Furthermore, you gloat over the times when you’ve been proven correct but conveniently forget about where you’ve been wrong. What about when you said this:

    “Sam Hinkie is a genius, and yet he let an All-NBA Center and a SF who would start on HALF the teams in the NBA walk in free agency while taking the easiest and yet most variance ridden road to GLORY as his FIRST move.”

    http://philadunkia.com/?p=9713#more-9713

    Yeah, Bynum really worked out well this season, didn’t he? What about this gem:

    “Another thing to do, make sure at almost any cost, the team drafts Nerlens Noel.”

    http://philadunkia.com/?p=8618#more-8618

    And yet now you consider Noel to be a bust. Let’s not forget the article you wrote claiming that a team built around Bynum, KG and Pierce would be a championship contender:

    http://philadunkia.com/?p=9370

    Except Bynum was a petulant child for the Cavs all season and barely played for the Pacers before being shut down for the rest of the season midway through the Wizards series, and the Nets were second-round fodder for the Heat this year.

    My point is, Steve, that you make so many statements in superlative terms that you’re bound to be correct on some of them; and you abrasively stick to the ones that you were proven right on and ignore the ones that didn’t pan out as you thought.

    I think you’re probably of above average intelligence and Embiid looks like the real deal, but when you make statements with no substative reasoning to justify them and conveniently wipe the incorrect ones from your memory bank, it really isn’t worth the effort to argue with you.

  21. johnny
    30. May 2014 at 20:15

    Speaking of Andrew Bynum, apparently something happened to him on the flight from LAX to Philly. lol Seriously what went wrong in the procedure he had done on his knees in Germany during that summer? How come nobody goes there? As I recall he was flat out BALLIN for the lakers until the end of the season (19 pts 11 rb). Doug Collins makes the trade …and the rest is history. No doubt this far fetched knee procedure he had done that summer messed his knees up. Alas what could of been…

    I think I’m finally getting a better read on the mold of player the Hinkiemonster likes…he has a shine towards ballers who get a lot of steals. So then THAD should be safe on this team cause he’s one of the best THIEVES in the league! jw

  22. jsa
    31. May 2014 at 11:50

    If Embid falls to three, perhaps a trade with Utah of #3 and #32 for #5 and 23 could be made. Grab Randle at # 5, the surest bet to be solid, Stauskas at #10 and Warren or Early or Lavine at #23 if not selected. This assumes Utah likes Embid.

  23. JRH
    1. June 2014 at 23:38

    I enjoy reading the comments more then the article itself. I believe the Sixers need to stay with the third pick no matter who falls to three. Do not trade up and do not trade down. Do not trade the third pick. Each one of the top three (Wiggins, Parker, Embiid) are predicted to be NBA all-stars. I would stay away from Kevin Love entirely. He is a west coast person and you will never know what he will do next year. I would look into trading the 10th pick and their 32nd pick. For either the pick to land Gordan or trade them to the Bulls for the 16th and 19th pick. If we land Embiid, maybe trade the 10th pick and young or Williams for Russell Westbrook. Here are the players I like in this draft, who I think will have a long career in the NBA.
    Embiid
    Parker
    Wiggins
    Gordan
    Young
    Staukus
    Warren
    Anderson
    Napier
    Robinson III

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