TRADE PROPOSAL: IGUODALA for BEN GORDON

Posted by: Philadunkia
05/07/09 7:52 am EST

bengordon1Don’t be so quick to chuckle at this proposal. We kicked it around a little bit here at the Philadunkia offices  before putting it out there and it’s not that crazy of an idea. Obviously it would have to be a sign and trade, but here’s why we think it could make sense for both organizations.

1) Neither player is exactly thrilled with the current team he is playing on.

Gordon feels and has felt for years that he should be starting and getting paid accordingly. Gordon is one of the best sixth men in the league, but he wants to start…period. That will not happen in Ch-town. As we all know, Gordon failed to reach a long-term extension the past two summers with the Bulls. Gordon turned down a five-year, $50 million deal in 2007 and a six-year, roughly $54 million deal in 2008. To say that he feels disrespected by the offers he received in Chicago is an understatement.  He says he wants to stay in Chicago, but you can bet that he’d be happier starting in Philadelphia with a new six-year deal, then coming off Del Negro’s bench under a one-year-mid-level exception deal. Lastly, it is widely reported that the failed negotiations badly strained relations between Gordon’s agent Raymond Brothers and the Bulls organization and that will make getting a deal done is Chicago a very big challenge.

As for Iguodala…after signing a huge $80 million deal during the summer of 2008, Iguodala had an inconsistent year and was criticized heavily in Philadelphia. We’ve also learned that he whined frequently this season about ping-ponging back-and-forth between the 3 and 4 spots. Then Iguodala was highly critical of his teammates and the Sixers Head Coach Tony DiLeo after the Game 6 debacle vs. Orlando. Iggy also stated that he was going sit down with 76ers GM Ed Stefanski in the off-season and “discuss what I think will get us over the [hump].” When asked if that was Iguodala’s role, Stefanski simply replied, “No.” As we all know, Iguodala also unloaded this gem regarding the team’s progress in comparison to the rest of the Eastern Conference, “I don’t think I can say it, but I think we’re going down.” So let’s see, coming off a whiny, roller-coaster regular season and a disappointing post season, Iguodala insulted his teammates, the Sixers possible head coach in 2009-10 and the GM of the organization. Those are some difficult bridges to mend in the off-season, especially to a point where people will respect you and view you as the leader of the Sixers in coming seasons. 

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2) The dollars work.

You have to figure that based on his superhero-like performances during the 2009 post season that Gordon is going to get in the neighborhood of 6 years at $70 million and change. Iguodala obviously has five years remaining on his 6 years, $80 million contract that he signed last year. So the Bulls would probably have to throw in some scraps to make the money end of the deal work under the NBA CB agreement, but that happens all the time in the NBA, so it’s not anything that would hold this deal up.

3) Both would instantly and nicely fill glaring holes on the other team.

For the Sixers the deal quickly solves their problem at the two-spot as they will now have 6-3 athlete with unlimited range and a liquid stroke in the back-court. Yes he often takes too many shots and play mediocre defense, but on offense he’s Larry Bird next to Willie Green. As a bonus, acquiring Gordon also allows them to play Thaddeus Young at the small forward, his more natural position. Now defensively the Sixers would get worse in this deal, so they’ll have to find a point who can really defend to pair with Gordon, otherwise the 2009-10 Sixers will have to play like the “7 seconds or less” Suns to win games, but that’s not impossible to pull off.

The Bulls get a three-man that will contribute on a nightly basis, which is much more then they had this year at that position. Acquiring Iguodala would also allow the Bulls to ship off the very disappointing and over paid Loul Deng (The Bulls current three-man.) to some sucker who still thinks Deng has potential. In exchange the Bulls would look for some much needed big-man help. Gordon would be replaced at the two-spot by John Salmons. He’s a guy the Chicago front office loves and are looking to find him more tick.

 

Statistical Comparison:

 
Iguoadala Career Season Averages
 
 

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 PHI 82 82 32.8 0.493 0.331 0.743 1.1 4.6 5.7 3.0 1.7 0.6 1.70 2.50 9.0
05-06 PHI 82 82 37.6 0.500 0.354 0.754 1.4 4.4 5.9 3.1 1.6 0.3 1.87 2.40 12.3
06-07 PHI 76 76 40.3 0.447 0.310 0.820 1.0 4.7 5.7 5.7 2.0 0.4 3.43 2.60 18.2
07-08 PHI 82 82 39.5 0.456 0.329 0.721 1.0 4.4 5.4 4.8 2.1 0.6 2.61 2.30 19.9
08-09 PHI 82 82 39.9 0.473 0.307 0.724 1.1 4.6 5.7 5.3 1.6 0.4 2.71 1.90 18.8
Career 404 404 38.0 0.469 0.325 0.755 1.1 4.5 5.7 4.4 1.8 0.4 2.45 2.30 15.6
 
 
 
Gordon Career Season Averages
 
 

Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
04-05 CHI 82 3 24.4 0.411 0.405 0.863 0.7 2.0 2.6 2.0 0.6 0.1 2.27 2.70 15.1
05-06 CHI 80 47 31.0 0.422 0.435 0.787 0.5 2.2 2.7 3.0 0.9 0.1 2.25 3.00 16.9
06-07 CHI 82 51 33.0 0.455 0.413 0.864 0.4 2.7 3.1 3.6 0.8 0.2 3.04 3.10 21.4
07-08 CHI 72 27 31.8 0.434 0.410 0.908 0.6 2.5 3.1 3.0 0.8 0.1 2.08 2.40 18.6
08-09 CHI 82 76 36.6 0.455 0.410 0.864 0.6 2.8 3.5 3.4 0.9 0.3 2.44 2.20 20.7
Career 398 204 31.4 0.437 0.415 0.859 0.6 2.4 3.0 3.0 0.8 0.1 2.42 2.70 18.5
 

 
 
 

11 Responses to “TRADE PROPOSAL: IGUODALA for BEN GORDON”

  1. Adam
    7. May 2009 at 10:21

    No offense, but I laughed really, really, really hard when you said he’s going to get somewhere in the 6/70 range. David Thorpe in his chat yesterday said Gordon would be lucky to get 3/21. We could probably get Gordon by offering him the full MLE over the next 4-5 years. And yeah, Iguodala’s way better than Gordon. Gordon’s an undersized SG who can’t play defense and really only brings scoring to the table.

    So yeah, maybe trade Lou Williams for him if they want to do that and the dollars would still work, but if the Sixers gave Gordon more than 8 mil a year and/or traded Iguodala for him, I would just stop watching them.

  2. Alberto
    7. May 2009 at 13:53

    You have to factor in how poorly the Iguodala/Brand combo worked at the beginning of the season. It makes sense; after being liberated from second-banana status when (the other) AI got traded, he was sort of being asked to do the re-assume that role with Brand’s arrival. It seems like Gordon/Brand may be a better fit, since BG might let Brand carry the workload through the first three quarters and take over in the 4th as he is wont to do (and when Brand is, shall we say, less assertive). I think Gordon would realize that starting and slightly deferring is a better deal for him than not starting at all – or starting but having to share minutes at the 2 with Hinrich/Salmons.

    As far as Gordon’s worth: while his deficiencies are clear, anybody who watched him during that Celtics series surely experienced that feeling of being surprised when he actually missed down the stretch. There are only so many guys (3?) in the NBA that can make you KNOW that the ball is going in when it leaves their hands in the last few minutes of a game. What’s that worth?

  3. TRad
    7. May 2009 at 14:03

    Sorry, guys, but it’s not even in the ballpark. Full disclosure: I’m a Lakers fan and I have no emotional ties with Chicago nor Philadelphia. Basically I don’t care about 76ers nor Bulls.

    That said there are two reasons why suggested trade has no chance of happening.

    1. The reason Chicago wants to ship Gordon out of town is money. They don’t want to give him $60M/5y – and I don’t blame them. They have already $63M salaries for the next season. Add Gordon, some minimum guys to fill the roster – and they are in luxury tax. They don’t want it. And Gordon plays the same position as Hinrich – which is owed $27M for the next three seasons. There’s no way they will keep two SG with big contracts.

    2. Iguodala is so much better than Gordon, that only Clippers could trade him straight. He has better FG% (however thanks to 3s their TS% is equal), he’s going to the free throw line more often, he rebounds better, steals better, has better As/TO ratio, gives less PFs, is younger and higher. It’s not even close.

  4. Flint
    7. May 2009 at 14:05

    As a neutral observer, sounds like a crappy trade. Iggy is way way better than Gordon. In fact, Iggy has been in the top 10 in adjusted +/- over the last two years I think. Gordon is a below average NBA starter with an outsized reputation because he shoots a lot.

    Philly won 41 games this year. Yeah it’s mediocre, but if Brand comes back strong you should be pretty decent next year. Let Gordon blow in the wind.

  5. Matt McHale
    7. May 2009 at 14:10

    No, no, a thousand times no! I really don’t want Luol Deng, Part II on my team. I find Iggy extremely underwhelming. I suppose I’d take him over Deng…but there’s no guarantee that John Paxson could rid himself of Deng’s contract. Who would take on that bloated thing at this point?

  6. Zach
    7. May 2009 at 14:43

    Ben Gordon started nearly every game he played this year. This quote suggests otherwise: “you can bet that he’d be happier starting in Philadelphia with a new six-year deal, then coming off Del Negro’s bench under a one-year-mid-level exception deal.” I don’t know where you got that. He played the most minutes of his entire career under Del Negro. Interestingly, even BG himself has pointed out that starting, while nice, is secondary to the salary he gets this off-season, which he equates directly to “respect.”

    Also, your 6/70 figure was clearly pulled out of nowhere; it was widely reported at the end of negotiations last summer that BG ultimately decided to take the 5/50 offer, but that the Bulls pulled the offer. In the end, his contract will be determined by the market, as it should be. And unless a sign and trade happens (NOT for an athletic starting 3-man, which the Bulls have 2 of in Deng and Salmons) he’ll go wherever the money takes him.

  7. Noah
    7. May 2009 at 15:45

    Terrible, terrible trade proposal. Do you watch these teams? Iguodala is much much better than Gordon. I think the Sixers could find a way to add Gordon without losing Iguodala. If they could shed just a million or two in salary, they could offer him as good a deal as he’s going to get in this market, and with Iguodala and having such a good handle and being such a good (and big) defender, Gordon could play at the 1 in Philly and provide the perfect long-range complement to Andre’s skills.
    However, getting rid of your best player so you can significantly overpay an inferior player is ridiculous. Shame.

  8. birthface
    7. May 2009 at 15:49

    Trade AI for AI

  9. Dervin
    7. May 2009 at 16:26

    The question isn’t who’s the better player, but how well each player matches with his team. Iguodala is a much better player than Gordon. But is Gordon a better fit with the Sixers?

    Thaddeus Young and Iguodala play the exact same position, so the question we have to ask in evaluting this proposal is
    “Young and Iguodala at 3, and whoever we can realistically get at 2″ would that be better than “Young at 3, Gordon at 2″

    I think Young is going to be better than Iguodala, but at the very least an equivalent player. Gordon will also stretch out the opposing defense creating more room for the rest of the team to operate.

    And depending on the CBA and when Young’s contract will expire, we could get Young for much less than Iguodala.

  10. Reggie
    7. May 2009 at 17:47

    If Gordon gets more than 7mil a year I would be very surprised, especially in these trying economic times…

    Either way, I think both players are overrated and AI to Chicago doesn’t catapult them into a contender. Chicago has a lot of pieces right now and I want them to make a play in order to compete with Cleveland, Boston and Orlando in 2009-2010

    Chicago should also set themselves up to succeed in the beginning of the next decade, since Boston is only getting older and LeBron may be bolting for NY.

    I agree Igudola > Gordon, but not as much as some are making it seem.

    BUT they are different players. If I need a bucket during crunch time, OBVIOUSLY I would rather have Gordon.

    The only “superstar” more overrated than Igudola is Carmelo…

  11. Ransom
    7. May 2009 at 19:04

    Ok while i’m definitely gonna question whether or not the money or even chemistry of this would work i have one response to almost all the previous posters. This comes from a sixers fan, but more accurately an NBA fan. I watch almost every sixers game and almost any other game that is televised. That being said: Andre Iguodala is not nearly as good as people make him out to be, nor as good as his stats suggest. This seems counter intuitive, and those who don’t watch him on a nightly basis look at his numbers and see a very solid young promising NBA player. However, you cannot quantify how many poor decisions he makes, badly timed fade-aways he takes and so on. His FG% is decent merely because he takes 2 kinds of shots, ill advised jumpers and dunks…they balance out on the score sheet but when he isn’t driving he will regularly miss the same contested jumper 4 times in 6 possessions. Not tom mention, he has really shown no skill improvement since he entered the league, the only things that have changed (and brought about better stats) are increases in shots, minute and team style (to a more fast break oriented system). has his jumper really improved? no, he just takes more of them now. Has his decision making improved? nope, but now andre miller helps cover them up (as opposed to iverson before). Point being, if you really watch iggy he is far worse than people think, totally worthy of being traded and as we can see recently…no a great team chemistry locker-room dude either. Ill take Gordon and a future pick for him almost any day, the only thing id miss is his D.

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