IS TAKING TURNER THE RIGHT MOVE?

Posted by: C. Smith
06/24/10 10:27 am EST

Recently there have been two online posts by reputable basketball writers in this town that have raised some red flags for us here in the Philadunkia offices over the possibility of the 76ers drafting Evan Turner.  Don’t get us wrong, we still think Turner is a great basketball talent, the best overall player available to the Sixers at the #2 spot and that he could have an immediate impact on the team.  However two pieces we have read in the last few days both of which have included quotes from NBA front office types have caused us to further review just how good of a fit Turner would be for the 76ers.   

The first article that caused us pause on the Turner front ran on “The Philly Post” and was written by local college basketball guru Michael Bradley.  The short and sweet of Bradley’s post was that if the Sixers draft Turner, Iguodala has to go as they can not play together.  The second story that made us reconsider the selection of Turner by the Sixers was put together by legendary basketball scribe Dick Jerardi for the Daily News.  That story included NBA player personnel people on the record about Turner and how he is not the prototypical NBA 2-guard, which in our opinion is what the Sixers desperately need to find in the 2010 Draft.     

Bradley’s article was published on “The Philly Post” which as you may or may not know is Philly Mag’s latest attempt to make some head way in the online game.  Titled, “Is Andre Iguodala Outta Here?”, Bradley’s piece quotes one anonymous Western Conference GM as saying, “If you take Turner, you have to do something with Iguodala.”  Bradley also has a second anonymous Western Conference GM quoted on the possibility that the Turner and Iguodala combo might not be a good fit. 

According to Bradley this second GM used the word “redundancy” to describe the Turner-Iguodala pairing, since both players excel offensively when they have the rock.  The second GM continued, “There’s not enough floor space for the two of them.”  Throw in the fact that starting point guard Jrue Holiday also needs the ball to be at his best offensively and suddenly drafting Turner appears to create a situation where there would not be enough basketball’s on the court in Philadelphia.

Jerardi’s article for the Daily News is titled “Wall vs. Turner” and contains extensive quotes from local resident and long time NBA front office man Stephen “Rose” Rosenberry (Currently a scout for the Atlanta Hawks.) on the type of player he projects Turner to be in the NBA.  Rosenberry tells Jerardi, “Turner is not a ‘two’, is not a ‘three’.  He’s a point.  That’s what he is.  I have discussions with personnel people and media and I say, ‘Guys, if you don’t believe me, then you haven’t watched him play.’  At Ohio State, he had the ball in his hand literally 95 percent of the game . “ 

Rosenberry also told Jerardi that Turner reminds him of a future Hall of Fame point man, “He reminds me some of Gary Payton. He was a great post player. What made Gary so good is his ability to pass out of the post.  When he took guards into the post, they had to double him or he would just murder them.  When they doubled, he punished you with passes.  That’s what this kid is.  He’s so big and thick and strong that if you play him one-on-one in the post, he’s going to score.  Then, when you double, his first instincts are to pass.  He’s a good athlete.  He’s not an extreme athlete.  He’s an OK shooter.  He’s not a deep shooter.  He takes you places on the court where he wants to be.  He’ll just back you to where he wants to get so he doesn’t have to take deep shots.”

Here at Philadunkia we have known Rosenberry for years and trust his opinion greatly.  So, while the thought of drafting a prospect who may some day play like Gary Payton is very attractive, the idea of having two young point guards (Holiday & Turner) in the lineup who both need the ball to effective doesn’t make much basketball sense to us.  Still, if Turner is able to add 3-ball shooting range to his game as a compliment to his point guard type skills, the thought of Holiday and Turner backcourt for the next 7-10 years makes us giddy as a school girl.  What a lethal combination that would be.   

There’s no doubt that Turner is a big, talented, multidimensional player with a high basketball IQ, who can run at multiple spots on the floor, but doesn’t possess a deep outside shot.   Overall that’s a very, very nice skill set for an NBA Draft prospect to own.  Still, when you combine the above quotes from NBA front office people with some of the other pieces online and the “expert” analysis on TV you have to give serious consideration to the question, ‘Does Evan Turner fit here given 76ers current roster?’ 

After significant thought and analysis, for us here at Philadunkia the answer is still “Yes.  Turner is the right pick for Philadelphia.”  Turner is the best overall basketball player available to the 76ers at No. 2.  We also believe he can have a positive impact on this team immediately and help return the Sixers from the brink of irrelevancy on the Philly sports scene.  So we draft Turner and worry about the lineup issues down the road.  However now that we have taken a much closer second look at Turner as well as the current state of the Sixers roster and deeply reconsidered just how good of a match the two would be, we’ll be much less shocked and upset if Ed Stefanski and Doug Collins pull a fast one and draft Derrick Favors.


 
 
 

8 Responses to “IS TAKING TURNER THE RIGHT MOVE?”

  1. Tony
    24. June 2010 at 11:15

    Dude Mike Bradley and Dick Jerardi!!! Come on man GTFOH!!! Jerardi is about as much of a guru as I am. He’s clueless.

  2. brian
    24. June 2010 at 13:05

    First of all its not about if iguodala and turner can succeed side by side, The point in drafting turner is that hes going to develop into a future all star. Iguodala has already had his shot he proved to us hes a good 2nd option, but picking turner means that we are building around him not iguodala. And having jrue and turner on the floor at the same time, lets just say that were coming for that #1 spot bitchesss

  3. alex
    24. June 2010 at 13:14

    Just take Cousins. He’s gonna be the next Dwight Howard and we just traded away a center. Here’s how I see the lineup: Holliday, Iguodala, Young, Speights(or Brand but I like Speights better), and Cousins. That’d be beast.

  4. uncleboogi
    24. June 2010 at 13:25

    I agree w/ both the article and brian. Why do I care what a writer and a scout think? Every other “basketball mind” says it’s a no brainer. That’s if I’m listening to others, which I’m not. He’s the obvious choice today. We won’t know how good The Sixers can be until we see him on the court. Turner and Iguodala are both from Chicago if I’m not mistaken. Both good defenders, like to share the ball and can score (Turner more than Iggy). Add in Holiday and you really have something. The real question to me is do they keep Iggy or Young (based on his potential). Thad is well liked in Philly, but I think he’s our only trading chip to get a another big man.

  5. Sean
    24. June 2010 at 15:59

    I had some concerns about player utilization too at first thought, having Iguodala, Turner, and Holiday playing together. Iguodala and Turner’s skillsets ARE redundant and demand the ball, and on top of that, Jrue Holiday is your point guard and has potential to be a very good playmaker… So their passing skills will be under utilized…. right?

    Yes… to the point that their numbers won’t be as high, specifically Iguodala. But is that really a bad thing? Look at it this way. Iguodala produced his numbers last year on a bad team. Would he have produced those numbers on… the Lakers? And, the previous two years, he shared the ball with Andre Miller without ANY problems except his assist numbers were slightly lower… But he was more effective with Miller.

    So, Iguodala remaining constant… Evan Turner comes in and play similar to the Andre Miller role except more as a scorer. Mid-range play-maker that will find the open teammate. Jrue Holiday is obvious an upgrade over Willie Green in all areas… including shooting. With 3 playmakers on the floor, our two bigs will have a field day getting easy baskets.

    On the other side of the floor, Holiday-Turner-Iguodala will play great perimeter defense, force lots of turnovers and get out on the open floor.

  6. Ransom
    24. June 2010 at 16:20

    The problems i have with Turner is the problems i have ALWAYS had with Turner: he doesnt necessarily fill a need (could create a logjam at that), doesnt have the high ceiling that other lottery players do (Read: Cousins or Favors), and that he all the hoopla around him centers around his gaudy college stats which he put up in a fairly crappy conference against overmatched opponents. Assuming we have iggy when the season starts (and i think we will), you are going to have to find a way to give major minutes to: Holiday, Iggy, Young, Turner, Nocioni and Lou at the 1-3 positions (the 3 positions turner can supposedly play). Thats a problem. Collins has already said he wants to see what Thad can do after having his spirit crushed by Jordan because he showed HUGE upside the season before last. The fact that iggy, holiday, lou and turner would all be ball dominant is true but has been said enough times that i dont have to. The sixers need a talented big, unless they think spencer hawes is the anchor in the middle that they need (dubious). This draft has Cousins and Favors. One is a near sure fire 20 and 10 guy, the other is an 18 year old dwight howard clone…why am i even having to talk about this decision? Sure, they could both be busts, but so could Turner and his bellow average athleticism: we have all seen what the league does to mediocre athletes that put up big stats in college…especially when he is going to have to guard the top athletes in the entire NBA every night (wing players). Besides, the sixers are a team that even if they develop perfectly dont have enough talent to compete, when that is the case you HAVE to swing for the fences on draft night. Sure, Turner could be Brandon Roy but i give Favors an equal chance of being Dwight Howard (meaning i find both fairly unrealistic). More reasonably, Turner is a better passing, less athletic Iguodala, Favors is Antonio McDyess in his prime…Another Andre…orrr 22 and 10 every night…
    Lastly, i question Turners ability to succeed/thrive at the next level at all. An article came out recently talking about how, while Evan Turner did put up great numbers in college, he did it against, on average, MUCH smaller guys. In conference play Turner was guarded by an average height of around 6’3″. Take any decent NBA or college player, give him a regular 4 inch height advantage and see what happens to his stats… That height advantage also served to mask his average athletic abilities and hide the problems they may cause at the next level. Turner could be good, i like him, but not at number 2 for the sixers. Draft Favors or Move down to 4 (Minnesota would soooo give it to us) and take Cousins.

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