LEARNING CURVE HAS BEGUN

Posted by: Jeff McMenamin
10/12/12 10:41 am EST

It seems like just yesterday Andre Iguodala was sinking a free throw to send the Sixers to the Eastern Conference Semi-finals.  A few months earlier, Lou Williams showed off his best Allen Iverson impression, scoring 14 points (including the last 10) in a 4th quarter comeback to stun the Lakers at home for a monumental victory. 

Or what about Elton Brand? From being lost in the shadows of the 2010-11 season, to shifting gears and having one of the best defensive seasons in his NBA career while vocally willing the Sixers to one of their most successful seasons of the past decade.

The memories are hard to forget.  And, without a doubt every last one of them deserves credit for putting on their uniform every day and fighting for this organization.

You see, regardless of how ‘Dre has acted towards the Sixer coaching staff and its fans the past week, let’s take a moment and reflect on what these three men have given you all.  A franchise that is relevant again.  Other talented players did help out along the way, but through all the doubters (myself included towards the end of last season) these three fought night after night and gave this city and its fans a reason to believe. 

The Sixers are more relevant than ever, but the current roster isn’t filled with the same familiar faces you’ve seen in the past.  It’s truly hard to believe that the Sixers team which is about to embark on the 2012-13 NBA season holds only 5 of the 12 players who made their stamp in the history books last season. Everything you used to know and were used to seeing as a Sixers fan is about to change for good.

 

In comes a brand new game plan on both offense and defense, but with only a short month to master everything. Not only that, but there’s a huge piece missing to the puzzle. Unless you’ve fallen into a deep depression watching the Washington Nationals beat out the Phillies for a playoff spot this fall, then you should have heard that Andrew Bynum will most likely sit out all of preseason to recover from the knee “procedure” he had in Germany back in September.

This kind of a roster shakeup creates a lot of adjustments which need to be facilitated and we got our first look at how the players are adapting to those adjustments last night.

By parting ways with Andre Iguodala, Lou Williams, Elton Brand, Nik Vucevic, Jodie Meeks, Tony Battie, and Sam Young the Sixers shed a very large amount of the production the team relied upon last season.

 

This is how the numbers break down:

(Percentages of total production lost)

Minutes:54.7%

Made Field Goals: 51.2%

Made Three Pointers: 77.1%

Made Free Throws: 63%

Rebounds: 52.5%

Assists: 53.5%

Steals: 55.1%

Blocks: 57.4%

Points: 54.4%

Over half the production of last year’s team has been replaced by a new set of talent and personalities who hope to follow the path that was built by their predecessors.  Filling out the new roster are Andrew Bynum, Jason Richardson, Dorell Wright, Nick Young, Kwame Brown, and Arnett Moultrie. Whether or not Maalik Wayns makes the team over Royal Ivey is yet to be seen, but apparently Wayns has looked fast and strong in training camp and he had a nice game in O-town last night.

Replacing this lost production is not an easy task, especially having to simulate plays in practice as if Bynum were actually in the paint.  There’s a good possibility that Bynum won’t have a chance to play with his teammates until the season opener against the Nuggets.

In the mean time, the Sixers had a preseason game to play last night.  Returning Sixer Jrue Holiday led the charge with 27 points in a 102-95 victory over the Orlando Magic. Where Sweet Lou used to drain one mid-range jumper after another, new addition Nick Young stepped in dropping 22 points of his own and at least for one night giving critics and fans something to get excited about.

On the other hand Evan Turner who’s expected to fill in for Andre Iguodala, looked awful, shooting just 2 of 12 from the field while attempting zero free throws.  He had an above average night doing other things such as defending, rebounding, and passing but just doing those things well isn’t going to cut it for him this season.  ET has to shoot better at a better clip or DC will insert someone to do it for him. 

The same goes for Thaddeus Young. The longest tenured Sixer on the roster shot 5-14 from the floor while the team went -7 with him on the court.  Two of the five guys returning to the team coming up short just isn’t going to cut it anymore.

Even worse was the play of the now oldest veteran on the team, Jason Richardson.  He was out of sync offensively and defensively the entire game, shooting a measly 1-5 from the field and having the worst +/- on the team at -9.

However, in the NBA with one man’s failure come another man’s opportunity and those opportunities shined bright in the new and improved Sixers “Night Shift”.  Maalik Wayns was all over the court scoring 6 points while adding 7 rebounds and 6 assists.  Dorell Wright hit three shots from downtown adding 10 points in just 16 minutes.  This is the type of production the Sixers will need if they are going to be successful this season.

Outside of Jason Richardson and Dorell Wright, nobody on this Sixers team has ever gotten the chance to play with a dominant big man. The players who will be feeding the “Bynumal” the ball this season will have to try their hardest in practice and in preseason to continue to play as if he were there filling out the post anyway.  It’s going to be a tough adjustment to go from running simulations of plays for Bynum during training camp and preseason to actually getting the big guy the ball in the regular season.

On the defensive side of the ball, coach Doug Collins is going to have to get players like Jason Richardson, Nick Young, and Dorell Wright to buy into the team defense concept as well which is a lot more complex than anything they’ve had to use during their careers.  There’s a lot of help defense and traps, there’s a lot of cutting off passing lanes and keeping your hands up, there’s a lot of fighting through screens and switching.  If the Sixers plan on repeating their success of last season, it’s going to start on the defensive side of the ball.

Evan Turner and Jrue Holiday will have to become lock down defenders and Andrew Bynum and Spencer Hawes will have to learn how to compliment each other in the post.

On offense, Andrew Bynum must be working with Collins every day.  He must study tape and memorize the plays.  He should skim over the design of Stan Van Gundy’s 2009 Orlando Magic team and figure out where the ball should be when teams throw at him a double or triple in the post like they did to Dwight Howard.  As the focal point of the Sixers attack on both the offensive and defensive end of the floor, he has to assume the leadership role on this team and be able to read and understand where he should be on the court and what he should be doing on any given play.

It’s going to be a tough go out of the gate for the Sixers to start the season. From Oct. 31st-November 9th the Sixers will play: Den; @NYK; NYK; @NOH; and @Boston. The Nuggets, Knicks, and Celtics are all defensive-minded/physical teams who have much more experience playing together than the young Sixers.  The Hornets also now boast one of the best young rosters in the League and are definitely a team not to be taken lightly.

These games could all easily be losses if the starters down lock down their duties offensively and defensively and if Bynum isn’t able to adjust to the new attention he’s going to receive from opposing defenders.  JaVale McGee and Tyson Chandler are both long and physical defenders who’ve seen their fair share of Bynum over the years.  They could use Bynum’s rust to their advantage and force others on the team to create.

 

It’s yet to be seen not only how the team will perform alongside Bynum, but how well the team will fare without Bynum as well.  For one preseason game they held their own, but just barely (against a weak Orlando team).  Hedo Turkoglu made Thaddeus Young pay for staying off of him, the combination of Glen Davis, Nikola Vucevic, and Andrew Nicholson had their way with Sixers bigs in the post , and the Sixers as a team stole a win in what shouldn’t have even been a contest.

 

 

 

The mark of a great team is how you’re able to perform when missing your star.  For players like Evan Turner and Thaddeus Young that means they have to respond better on Saturday against the Nets if they want the minutes they feel they deserve and also want to have the Sixers playing their best possible basketball to start the season.

Having the season starting off the right way is crucial.  It’s going to be a long December, which I pointed out in a past post.  Stringing together some wins in November is a must for the Sixers to have any shot at dethroning the Celtics as the Atlantic Division Champions at the end of the season.

 

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34 Responses to “LEARNING CURVE HAS BEGUN”

  1. Sloetry
    12. October 2012 at 11:17

    I wouldn’t overly portray the likes of Lou, Dre and Elton as the heroes of the season gone. They had great moments…they had many poor moments too. EB would have been a nice piece to keep for some veteran savvy but of course not at that price. Lou and Dre’s shot selection/decision making was a curse for the team. Now we have shooting options as the clock winds down that don’t have to go through just one player. So it’s important not to miss those who have gone. If anyone, Vuc had the biggest upside and the potential to be the only relevant player we lost (in the long run). You’re right, it’s going to be a lot of work getting this team developing cohesion. Expect a shaky start. Expect some nasty surprise losses early on. But somewhere between Christmas and the All Star break, we should see Philly start to show signs of being THE beast in the East.
    Unfortunately in London, they weren’t showing last nights game on League Pass, but as much as I loved Jrue’s stats….I was really excited by Wayns stat line. Sometimes a pure point guard can simply find a groove and in the right role.

  2. Steve Toll
    12. October 2012 at 13:24

    In 3pt shooting news, the team took 18 3pt shots. Last regular season the team only took 18 3pt shots in the regular season 11x. That’s a step in the right direction.

    Quick Boxscore Evaluation

    Jrue attacked the corpse of Jameer Nelson and and got to the rim 4x in 20 minutes, and taking 4 3s as well. The midrange jumper was falling as he hit 4 of 5 shots from 16ish feet.

    Evan Turner, Evan Turner’d, as it took him to midway into the 3rd quarter to score. 2-12 shooting, 7 rebounds, 4 assists and 3 Turnovers in 31 minutes.

    Thad took as many midrange jumpers this game, 4, as he did 3pt shots last season. Apparently he spent a lot of time guarding Hedo, there is one way to describe Hedos performance looking at the box score “BALL”.

    Lavoy had a meh 30 minutes when you consider who he played against

    Hawes wasn’t good but passed well, not impressive

    Kwame went HAM in 12 minutes

    Jason Richardson didn’t play we’ll, only 3 more years and 19 million to go

    Swaggy P was 3-9 11pts with 2 turnovers, with 5 minutes 14 seconds left in the game, he then proceeded to hit a couple of Corner 3s, 2 jumpers and get a trip to the free throw line to close the game. Hopefully every team has an Etuan Moore and Armon Johnson to close out the game against the 76ers

    Dorell Wright 3-5, 10pts 2 reb, 1to in 16 minutes, totally outperformed Jrich and Young until the last 5 minutes of the game. He should have been in the game, not SwaggyP and if DC is results oriented then he will be patting himself on the back for playing Young to close out the game when Wright was a much higher EV play based on gameplay that night and the fact that Wright has been a superior player for 2+ years. Maybe I am over thinking things because I know that DC is a bad coach/bad talent evaluator/great broadcaster/elite Olympic FT shooter under immense pressure but playing Swaggy 30 min, JRich 24 min and playing DWright 16 minutes doesn’t make sense. My fear of a SwaggyP>Jrich>Wright minute allocation came to fruition and Variance punched me in the face the last 5:13 of the game.

    Maalik seemed to be productive and seemingly showed a burst, I could see a Maalik-Jrue backcourt by seasons end (Shout out to Lennix who also thinks Jrue might/is a SG)

    Arnett Moultrie played 3 minutes and got 1 block, last season in college he averaged .9 blocks in 36mpg. Obviously that block rate is sustainable

    Speaking of sustainable, Former 76er- Vucevic looked quite good with a 12pt, 10 rebound 1 blk performance in 20 minutes. I hated giving him to Orlando in the trade instead of force feeding the Magic, Moultrie, and I hate it even more today.

  3. Jeff McMenamin
    12. October 2012 at 15:17

    Sloetry,

    How goes it mate? How’s London treating you?

    I think those three deserve a little praise. They were written off and hounded by the Philadelphia media as a one-and-done team and they came out and proved they could nearly compete in the Eastern Conference finals. Who knows how a Bosh-less Heat would’ve matched up against the Sixers if it came to that series?

    Obviously I had a lot of gripes with Iguodala’s contract and lack of an attack mode on offense. I had complaints about Lou Williams shot jacking offensive style (but on the contrary, sadly without it the Sixers would’ve had zero offense in many games) and obviously Brand overall under-performing his contract.

    I was basically just not letting people forget what they gave to the organization and where the team moves from here.

    I see a shaky start for sure. I don’t know who angered the league offices, but the Sixers December schedule of games is just ridiculous.

    I love what I saw out of Young, Wayns, and Wright last night. Hopefully signs to come. Bynum will make things much easier in the post for all involved (Hawes, Thad, Lavoy, Kwame) and their best basketball is still yet to come. Bynum definitely will need a few games to get re-adjusted though.

    Thanks for reading and commenting,
    Jeff

  4. Curt
    12. October 2012 at 15:18

    This was just a pre season game, Waynes was going to get alot of mins just to see how he does, Multrie will get alot of mins in pre season to. First eal game and some guys shots just werent falling, thats to be expected. defence is what we need to worry about Orlando score 95 point? some players are familiar with dominate bigs Dorell Wright Played with Shaq in Miami and J Rich Played with Shaq, Amare, and D12. pre season is all about geting in rythem and jelling. Once everybody gets there swag back incorporating Bynam wont be hard, He’s probably only gonna play 60 something game anyway so its best they learn to win without him.

  5. Steve Toll
    12. October 2012 at 15:59

    Jeff,

    Where did you see the game?

    If you looked at the Play by Play, SwaggyP was terrible for 85% of the game and had a nice 5 minutes against 2 other 12th men. Basketball is easy to be results oriented because its easier than to actually consider EV

    As I mentioned before, Maalik has a lot of things going for him and could become a NBA player. His defensive rebounding numbers are to be taken with a grain of salt. The assists seem to be on relatively efficient shots which are inherently more valuable.

    An obvious negative of his potential emergence is that your boy, ET, won’t be getting 30+ minutes of burn a night and might even see less than last season.

    Dorell Wright was quite nice, why do you think he only played 16 minutes last night compared to 24 by Jrich and 30 by Swaggy?

    The Boston series was close because they had an abysmal bench (worst bench of any playoff team) and both Ray n Avery were injured.

    Sloetry,

    They were our 3 best players last year, some credit is due

  6. Sloetry
    12. October 2012 at 16:02

    All good in London thanks Jeff. Do you think the Sixers can be the No2 team in the East by the end of the season (maybe not on regular season record, but in terms of form going into the playoffs?)

  7. Jeff McMenamin
    12. October 2012 at 16:39

    Steve,

    The game wasn’t aired. Listened to it on ESPN radio and read through the box and play-by-play.

    How do you get that Nick Young was terrible for 85% of the game? He was +11 while on the court and had 22 points while shooting a team high 6 free-throws. I know your instinct is to knock him because it would prove your predictions to be correct, but the guy did exactly what the team is asking him to do…fill the role of Lou Williams.

    Maalik Wayns has apparently blown the coaching staff away in training camp according to this video segment on Daily News Live, http://www.csnphilly.com/sportsnetPhiladelphia/search/v/64534677/maalik-wayns-is-turning-heads-at-sixers-training-camp.htm

    I can only hope the Sixers found a diamond in the rough. He was a great scorer for Villanova, but if he can round out the other parts of his game he could be a Lavoy Allen type steal.

    As for ET, bad night shooting the ball and 3 turnovers=a terrible start, but that’s what preseason is for. He’s going to get 30+ minutes throughout preseason and if he continues to look that bad than you’ll his minutes will get adjusted, but he has every chance to prove he deserves those minutes until than.

    If you know Doug Collins, you know he favors veterans. Not surprised at all to see Jason Richardson get more minutes than Wright (AKA Lavoy Allen treatment) but it’s now something to watch for going forward. Wright knocked down some triples and played solid defense, while Richardson looked awful and slow. Nick Young was a key contributor in the win and deserved his minutes.

    I wouldn’t say Boston’s bench was abysmal against the Sixers. Without Brandon Bass’ Games 5 and 7 the Sixers probably would’ve pulled off the upset. Pietrus also played some great defense and had some big time triples.

    Sloetry,
    Hmmm…Tough question really. Potential wise? Yes. But as a Philadelphia Eagles fan, potential should’ve given the city 4 Superbowls by now and it hasn’t happened yet lol. Realistically I see the Sixers as the third best team in the East. I still think the Heat and Celtics are the top 2. Potentially the Brooklyn Nets or Indiana Pacers could also take the 3rd spot, but they also don’t have Andrew Bynum or anyone who can guard Andrew Bynum so that alone gives the Sixers the edge in my opinion.

  8. larry smith
    12. October 2012 at 16:40

    Steve Toll you must be from Washington or a wizards fan because you’re bringing that same Nick Young negative BS to philly.

  9. Steve Toll
    12. October 2012 at 17:17

    Jeff,

    The last 5:13 Nick Young was 4-5, and 2-2 from the line for 12 points with 1 TO and he took 1 charge

    Prior to that he was 3-9 from the field, 3-4 from the line for 10pts, 3reb,1 turnover in 25 minutes

    In 15 minutes (DWright was subbed in the last minute of the game) here was DWrights line: 3-5 from the field, 1-2 from the line 10pts, 2 rebounds, 1 turnover.

    So other than being results oriented, why was SwaggyP in the game and not Wright?
    Also consider that for 2 straight seasons Wright > Nick Young

    I can understand the not being surprised by Jrich > Wright but there is no excuse for his minute allocation for Young, who was a negative for the first 5/6ths of his time on the court and kept in a close game when there was a better option in DWright

    In the Boston series, Bass started every game.

    Pietrus shot 7-24 from 3pt land in the series. He isnt even an average defender otherwise he would have played more considering that both Ray Allen and Bradley were hurt and playing terrible

  10. Jeff McMenamin
    12. October 2012 at 19:20

    Wow you’re totally right about Bass. Totally forgot he was a starter that series. I guess that’s how bad their center position has gotten since the loss of Kendrick Perkins. Playing a 6’8″ forward as your center is pretty desperate. Now I know why Doc Rivers is so scared of Bynum. No wonder they drafted Fab Melo and Sullinger.

    I differ however with your Pietrus assessment. When he had extended minutes playing with Orlando he proved to be a very solid defender. His Game Score in last years playoffs against the Sixers, which was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a player’s productivity for a single game, was 3.8 for the series…which was the highest of anyone off the bench for the series. He’s a good athlete and shooter. He actually came into the games more to give Pierce a breather than Allen.

    Young actually had 9 points in about 10 minutes in the first half. He was 3-4 from the floor, 1-2 FT with 2 rebounds. He entered the game for the first time with 4 min left in the 1st quarter (4 min total). Played until there were 6 min left in the 2nd (10 min total). Then didn’t play the rest of the half.

    With a first half like that. He definitely made Doug Collins happy which is why he got more PT later in the game.

    Wright had 6 points shooting 2-3 with 1 rebound in the first half through in about 9 minutes. Still great production. But Wright’s size makes him more of a SF than Young. If you want to put blame on PT, put blame on DC playing Turner over Wright not Young over Wright.

  11. larry smith
    12. October 2012 at 20:04

    Steve are you Tom Mandel, still being a Nick Young [HATER]. Nick Young was one of the best players on the floor.

  12. Steve Toll
    12. October 2012 at 20:58

    KG was the starting C on the celtics since about the 30th game of the regular season last year.

    I agree with you on Young’s first half performance except it was scored 8 points.
    He went 3-4 from the field (1-1 from 3), 1-2 ft, reb, 1 Turnover

    He spent the next 15 minutes of playing time going 0-5 from the field and 2-2 from the free throw line with 1 rebound.

    Wright enters the game with 4 minutes to go in the 1st qtr and plays the first 3:45 of the second quarter as well, he goes 2-3 for 6 points and 1 rebound. He is subbed in with 2:15 to go in the 3rd, he goes 1-1 3pts and 1 reb.

    Heading into the 4th Wright is 3-4, 9 points 2 rebounds in 10 minutes.

    Wright draws a foul and goes 1-2 from the line the first 15 seconds. He then misses a shot has a TO and is subbed out with 7 minutes to go

    After 15 minutes of playing time 10pts 3 reb 1 TO on 3-4 from the field and 1-2 from the line he is subbed out

    After 25 minutes of playing time, 3-9 from the field, 3-4 from the line for 10pts, 3reb,1 turnover , Nick Young is picked to close out the game.

    How is that justifiable?

  13. Steve Toll
    12. October 2012 at 21:16

    About Mickael Pietrus, the Orlando Magic allowed less points per 100 possessions when he was on the bench and scored more when he was on the bench, per Basketball Value. In 08-09,09-10 Pietrus was Nick Young level negative.

    Referring to Pietrus as a decent defender was like when the team traded for Hawes+Nocioni and DC legitimately brought up Nocioni’s toughness and stuff back when he was on Chicago, the 07-08 data showed that he was actually a negative on defense and was more valuable Chicago on offense

    The rest of the bench for Boston was Keyon “9.9 PER” Dooling, Ryan “waived by CLE on march 20, 2012″ Hollins, and Greg “Sneaky Good but underplayed” Stiemmsma. Ray Allen came off the bench and together with Avery Bradley played 50+ mpg of terrible offense and bad defense because of injuries

  14. Pete
    12. October 2012 at 21:27

    Steve. You’re knocking a player that scored 22 points in a preseason game that we won. Repeat that sentence to yourself. And I’m sure no top player has ever gone 2-12 in a game before, especially one as important as last night. I distinctly remember Jrue having a game last year where he had 0 points, rebounds, or assists in 20 mins of regular season action. But yet, if Evan does anything poorly, everyone continuously poops on him. Players have bad games. I’m glad Evan’s comes in his first game of the preseason. In his first start last year before the trade deadline against Milwaukee, he was 1-12. He then proceeded to average 20 pts ,10 boards, and shoot over 50% from the field in the next 4 as a starter before mysteriously returning to the bench for no reason. And those games counted for something. When this dude plays his 36 minutes in a consistent starter role and gets 18-20 ppg, don’t be surprised.

  15. Jeff McMenamin
    12. October 2012 at 21:41

    Pretty sure I recall Hawes guarding Bass and Lavoy guarding Garnett, but I could be wrong? In any case I guess the Celtics just played center by committee last season which is terrible.

    And exactly for Wright…Look at his stretch in the 4th. He hits a free-throw early to put the Sixers up 82-79, then disappears for 5 minutes and only adds negative aspects to the team like a missed shot and a turnover. When he exited the game the Sixers were down 89-84. Collins wanted to see if he could get more production out of someone else in the lineup.

    2 minutes later Nick Young gets hot and scores 12 of the last 16 Sixers points to turn a 5 point deficit into a 7 point win.

    Really the last 8 minutes of the 3rd where the Sixers went cold (2-11 from the field) I think was more of an experimental lineup for Collins.

    Wayns, Richardson, N. Young, Thad, and Lavoy

    J-Rich was the only starter and obviously Wright took his place soon after because of his poor play.

    When the 4th started and Wright didn’t show Collins anything he went with what he thought were the best possible match ups. It’s not rocket science. But, having said that Wright was probably the better option at the time instead of Turner unless DC was looking for defense which could definitely have been the case.

    But how can you say Doug made the wrong call when Young went off and gave the Sixers a win? Do you really think Wright would’ve done the same?

    I just don’t really understand your argument because you say Wright deserved Young’s minutes, but if Young had sat the bench the Sixers probably lose that game.

  16. Jeff McMenamin
    12. October 2012 at 21:53

    Pietrus defensive WS with the Magic…

    2008-09: 2.0
    2009-10: 2.5

    Jodie Meeks’ defensive WS last season where you claim him to be a strong defender…

    2011-12: 2.0

    Care to explain?

  17. Steve Toll
    13. October 2012 at 01:46

    Jeff,

    There is a thing in life called EV, keeping SwaggyP was a -EV thing that turned out to work and in the long run it isn’t going to get you anything positive.

    After DWrights early 4th quarter free throws, here was the teams offensive sequence:
    Thad missed layup
    ET offensive foul
    Wright misses Jumper
    ET misses Jumper
    Wright turnover
    Hawes turnover
    Hawes missed shot
    Hawes missed shot
    ET makes Jumper

    And then Wright is subbed out, I don’t see how that is his fault the first 5 minutes of the 4th played out like that.

    I’ve said time and time again, DC is not a good coach. If he thinks that Young is superior to Dorell Wright that further illustrates my point. Yes, there is a winner at the end of games but EV is very important and wins out in the long run.

    Up until 5:13 left in the fourth quarter, Wright had been far superior to Nick Young, does anyone want to dispute that? Wright is superior, that’s why he should play.

    I never claimed Meeks to be a “strong defender” I said he is about ~average but since you brought it up, can you please let me know where and when I made the statement?

    I should of been more clear on my statement, Pietrus was actually an above average NBA player in 09-10 but he was the worst player on the Magic that season and his minutes were Negative in a vacuum compared to his teammates and by a decent margin.

    He was an above average defender at that point and hasn’t been good since. I never claimed that 09-10 Pietrus was an inferior defensive player to 12′ Meeks, I just pointed out that Pietrus isn’t good anymore and has been since 09-10.

    http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2009-2010&mode=summary&sortnumber=21&sortorder=DESC&team=ORL

    Go look at defensive rating and overall rating in the above link, Pietrus was useful in 09-10 and hasn’t been that way in the 3000+ minutes since.

    When you factor in that 08-09 And 9-10 played with Howard makes defense so much easier, of course, Pietrus is gonna have a higher defensive WS. Seriously, the Magic were 8th in points allowed this season with a team of terrible defenders and Dwight missed games and didn’t play defensively like he had in years past.

    Here is my Jodie Meeks is average on D argument:
    http://basketballvalue.com/player.php?year=2011-2012&id=837

    http://www.82games.com/1112/11PHI3.HTM

    http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?mode=summary&sortnumber=85&sortorder=DESC&team=PHI&year=2011-2012

    Let me ask you this, do you honestly think that the team would have been in a worse spot with 5:13 to go if Wright played Young’s minutes in the 2nd half up until that point?

    Pete,

    Who cares how much ET scores in a game, he has a career true shooting % of 48.

    My issue with Nick Young is that he is terrible, 5 good minutes after a previously negative 25 minutes is results oriented thinking. That was a -EV decision that turned out to work and won’t in the long run.

    I would love to sit with DC, break down Wright and Young over the past 2 years, look at the game tape up until 5:30 left in the 4th quarter and hear an explanation of why he put in Young instead of Wright from a perspective of what’s best in the long run, not “herp derp he played good after being negative for 25 prior minutes, I was right”

  18. BynumAJoke
    13. October 2012 at 03:54

    Man…Bynumal? You serious dude. The guys an AVERAGE center with a distructive alloff personality. He wont last in Philly I cant wait to the honeymoon phase is over. Bynums knees are shot. Nobody realizes Kobe never slowed down and that he never had multiple knee operations and cares and prepares for basketball. Bynum is a 50 pound overweight center. Hes slow. And he just dosnt and never will care. Please stop writing about us beating the Bulls. Derrick Rose had 29 9 9 in game 1 and we lost. If we lost a series without Iverson and the other fans were boasting about it, you’d say that team only won becuase Iverson was out. The Sixers are a puzzle of mediocre players

  19. Lennix
    13. October 2012 at 12:21

    I still think Turner is the type to get better as the season grows. He has big shoes to fill with perimeter defense. As for our 3 new 3 point shooters, they wont make sense to have until Bynum is back. Not playing Wright doesnt mean much, i think young will drop 30 a couple times this season. One year contracts will spark that motivation. Cant say much abt jrich except he knows its preseason, hopefully his minutes arent going to keep wright and nyoung off the floor. Wayns might be the lavoy steal of the year. in summer hoops he was easily our best player, looked the most professional.
    What i dont think anyone is realizing is that its going to take time to gel. Boh of those teams are basically brand new, that game meant nothing. When Jayrue hits 12-14 shots its almost like watching summer league basketball. This team is a lottery team without bynum however. shabazz muhammed or nerlens noel anyone?
    thad should be starting along with lavoy with kwame in the middle. Moultrie not getting little run makes no sense but collins doesnt use rookies so that should be expected.
    lets be analytical when the season starts and bynum is on the floor. This team will make the playoffs with bynum or sink to the depths of the lottery. we are not a championship team yet, just let the team grow. preseason is ehh, everyone is still getting use to each other. it will click.

  20. SteveisKaka
    13. October 2012 at 15:09

    Steve, you stated “There is a thing in life called EV, keeping SwaggyP was a -EV thing that turned out to work and in the long run it isn’t going to get you anything positive.” That thing called EV works both ways and in your scenario had Wright stayed in the game.

    Steve, why are you trying so hard to create an arguement on “what iF” scenarios? I love it. DC is a bad coach (you state), yet they won the game, which means nothing anyway because it is a preseason game. You stated that he is bad coach yet he made it to Game 7 against the Celtics when NO ONE expected it with the lack of talent they had in 2011/2012. Didn’t Eddie Jordan manage to go 27-55 with the same components more or less. You even stated a month ago that Doc far outcoached DC in that playoff series. How is any series that goes to 7 games have a coach far outcoach his opposing coach? Be sure to reply with A REAL LONG post because that is what you do when people pull your stupid arguments into threads and you feel threatened, haha.

  21. Jeff McMenamin
    13. October 2012 at 18:12

    Steve,

    I have to admit. I commend your persistence on defending an issue.

    However, EV is a sports betting term and shouldn’t be applied to evaluate talent. Sports isn’t about estimations, it’s about results. It’s about practice. It’s about planning. It’s about adjusting. Above all it’s about winning.

    I never said that Dorell Wright didn’t deserve more minutes, but he didn’t deserve more of Nick Young’s minutes. He deserved more of Evan Turner or Thaddeus Young’s minutes.

    Nick Young had a great game. I don’t like that you’re making the excuse…”Oh, but it was in the last 5 minutes of the game.” He had a great first half and he was clutch when the team needed him to be. He turned a loss into a win which is something your boy Andre Iguodala was never able to do. Leading up to the final stanza of the game he was already the 2nd leading scorer in the game besides Jrue anyway.

    Like Lennix and other people have already said as well. This is preseason. This is more of a time to learn and evaluate our talent and how they play together, then to break down individual performances and hound a guy for not playing well during a certain stretch of a game.

    Yes I was upset at how a lot of players perfomed in the first preseason game and I could go in depth on how they should’ve played better and what they should’ve done differently but that defeats the purpose of preseason. Preseason’s about learning from your mistakes and making adjustments for the regular season. Playing without Bynum is a really hard way to judge exactly how everyone will benefit once he’s on the court. It’s an “estimation”.

    As for Meeks…Ok you said that Meeks would be better as a starter than Kobe Bryant this season for the Lakers. Based on what you also said, “basketball is about efficiency, defense and versatility” I’m hard pressed to understand the logic. He’s more efficient than Kobe because he disappears on offense and takes about 7 shots a game, but defensively and versatility wise Kobe destroys him…unless you’re insinuating that Meeks is a better defender and more versatile.

    @BynumAJoke..

    Thanks for the laugh. I really needed it. Yeah…Bynum’s definitely an average center man…You’re completely right.

    @Lennix

    Great points. Agree with everything you said. When do you think Collins starts to give his season starters a lot of rest?

    Thanks for reading and commenting,
    Jeff

  22. Steve Toll
    13. October 2012 at 20:05

    Lennix,

    Explain the past 2 seasons when Nick Young was terrible? He was a restrictec free agent after 2011 and chose to take his 1 year qualifying offer and pledging “to make the league pay for not giving him a long term deal”. He then proceeded to be terrible except for 200 minutes

  23. Steve Toll
    13. October 2012 at 20:21

    Jeff,

    Expected Value is more than a sports betting term, and I’m sure the teams new billionaire hedge fund manager would agree

    You obviously dont understand that so much of basketball is EV and it plays out over the course of each possession, each game, each season.

    You make ridiculous statements like “leading up to the final stanza, Young was the 2nd leading scorer inthe game”

    Not only is that absolutely incorrect, Young was 3-9 from the field, 3-4 from the line with 2 turnovers for 10 points in 25 minutes

    Wright was 3-4, 1-2 FTs with 1 turnover in 15 minutes.

    Just keep pretending like that isnt relevant.

    Bad players can have good moments, that doesnt mean that in the long run it is something that will benefit the team. It is a very elementary concept, ignore it all you’d like, its still relevant.

    Kobe is terrible: he is a negative on offense for the lakers and ~average on defense. He was not good last season, it will change this year probably but he could go HERO mode and ruin the lakers season but its possible his teammates are good enough to override his terribleness

    Results are predicated upon EV, its why Lebron is dominant and Nick Young is garbage. Basketball is like one long game, its broken up into pieces so therr is Variance but good players are still good and Nick young is still nick young.

    Jeff, who based on up until 5:14 in the fourth quarter based on play and production from thd last 2 seasons should have been in: Wright or Young?

  24. Steve Toll
    13. October 2012 at 20:31

    SteveisKAKA,

    Boston had the worst bench in the NBA playoffs, both Ray and Bradley were hurt. DOC couldn’t really do anything that series other than be Vanilla as possible, and if Collins just never played Turner, the 76ers win that series

    So yes, Doc out coached DC

    It’s just like LOLScottyBrooks, cost OKC a real shot at a title by playing Perkins instead of Collison. The rotation should have went Collison>Ibaka>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Perkins, but it didn’t and Lebron was essentially handed his ring by the Coach of the opposing team.

  25. Steve Toll
    14. October 2012 at 16:52

    In a recent video on Sixers.com, Coach Collins talks about player conditioning. For some odd reason, he brings up the Boston Celtics.

    He basically said “look at Boston last year, the Vets weren’t in tip top shape but really turned it on after the All-Star break”

    My response is “The reason Boston went 24-10 after the All-Star break was that Bass was inserted into the starting lineup playing 35 mpg and Garnett moved to Center. Avery Bradley also got more playing time and had a very good 2nd half of the season. Conditioning had absolutely nothing to do with it”

    If the season goes on and DC spends all year going by “feel”, this is going to be a very disappointing season for 76er fans.

  26. Jacob
    14. October 2012 at 17:45

    Steve you just said Kobe was not good.. YOU NEED TO BE FIRED AND STOP WRITING ABOUT MY 76ers. STOP STOP

  27. Jon
    14. October 2012 at 17:45

    Steve,

    So if Kobe is so terrible, why did ESPN.com and TrueHoop Network rank him the #6 best player in the league? Is this a case that all the other basketball minds are wrong and you are right?

  28. Steve Toll
    14. October 2012 at 20:11

    Jacob and Jon.

    Basketball is a team sport, Kobe hurt his team last year.

    Jon,
    Lets assume you are an NBA GM. Unfortunately, you aren’t actually aware of what team you are the GM of. You are told, pick anyone in the NBA except Lebron, Durant, Rose, Dwight or CP3.

    This player will be on your team for 1 year and then retire, who do you choose?

  29. Lennix
    14. October 2012 at 23:28

    nick young is the man idc what people say. Im not sure when collins will do anything about resting starters. I think that would be a step backwards. we dont have ageing stars like peirce, garnett, duncan, manu etc. I think our young guys just need to get on the court and get mroe experience, esp evan and jayrue. once bynum is on the floor and keeping the defenses honest, this team will be fun to watch. nick young looks like a 6 ft 6 lou williams, thats always a good thing. even better that he doesnt have to handle the ball like lou did. malik wayns is the man too. total steal, looks like ivey is a worthless sign until someones hurt.

  30. mike
    15. October 2012 at 07:45

    i bet you if toll had his ideal team his starting 5 would be kyle lowrey jodie meeks tayshaun prince tyler hansbrough and greg stiesma and bet 1 million dollars that they win 65 games and win the championship bc of stats nobody uses

  31. Jon
    15. October 2012 at 10:38

    Steve,

    I would chose Kobe, Love, Westbrook, or Deron Williams. I’d pick a superstar that other teams would have to game plan around. There is no way you can say Kobe isn’t still one of the most feared players in the game.

    How can you say he hurt his team? Imagine if he wasn’t on the team? I’m not talking about taking a few games off, but imagine if he wasn’t even one the team. He’s been the center point for so much of their greatness over these years it’s crazy to think he sucks.

    Now I’m sure you’ve got a bunch of stats that say why Kobe on the bench is better for the Lakers than not. Great. Numbers from an analysis are cool. But the real test in a competitive sport is this: Ask an NBA player or coach if they’d rather face Kobe or someone else (Iggie perhaps?) and see if they agree with you and your numbers that he sucks. I bet they think Kobe’s still top ten player in the league.

  32. Jacob
    15. October 2012 at 14:38

    KOBE

  33. freezer
    15. October 2012 at 15:23

    Steve Toll,
    thank god the sixers have more sense then you friend. how have you not come to your senses and soaked in the light at the end of the tunnel. Nick Young is about to have a career year. Hes easily a top 15 shooter/iso scorer in the league. While he does not work within the team concept very well, hes pretty much born to be a 6th man crunch time scorer. If dorrell wright gets the shots young took in the 4th quarter, sixers lose the game. Hes by far the best player at playing hero ball on the team, much in the same way lou will was last year. i know what your thinking now “hero ball, jezz but my EV sensor says hes about to explode” shut up, you need guys who think like that in at the end of the game. dude you need to get with it, if nick young plays 30 mins a game shoots around fg%440 3pt% 400, this is gonna be a fun season and the sixers are going to be a great team to watch. Now of course he still needs to produce but im no way sold on dorrell hes had exactly two average seasons and has shown no upside throughout his career reinventing his game multiple times. his outside shooting is solid but there are some serious question marks surrounding his game why do you think we got him for free.

  34. Jim
    15. October 2012 at 18:24

    Steve Toll’s name should just be Steve Troll because he’s like that guy on ESPN boards who just says whatever he thinks and won’t listen to any logic but will just keep throwing stats in your face to prove his points. Stats are misleading, for every good stat you can find, there’s a bad stat (with maybe the exception of LeBron at this point of his career). If you don’t think Kobe is good then you should be fired immediately, and I’m the biggest hater on Kobe I know. He does play hero ball, and he does shoot too much, and he does turn it over, etc…But he also is the beat of that team, he takes a ton of defensive attention away from other guys, and plays great defense (finally). Swaggy P is playing well, just because it ruins your prediction doesn’t mean it isn’t true. I didn’t like the signing either, I wanted to keep Lou, but that doesn’t make me blind to what is happening. Maybe it will end, maybe it won’t, but he singlehandedly brought us back into that game. Just relax dude, it’s preseason, anything can happen this year

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