GM 33: RAPID REACTS

Posted by: C. Smith
01/03/13 10:42 am EST
Philadelphia 76ers 89 FinalRecap | Box Score 95 Phoenix Suns
Lavoy Allen, PF 35 MIN | 5-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 9 REB | 2 AST | 10 PTS | +4

That’s three near double-doubles in the last week, but Allen (like the rest of the Sixers bigs) doesn’t play physical enough and he got eaten alive by Scola and Gortat.  When he cut the PHX lead to 60-59 on a 19-footer with 6:34 left in 3rd Q, I thought Sixers would pull this one out, but they simply could not get that next basket.

Thaddeus Young, SF 36 MIN | 6-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | -10I’ve said it many times, Thad just punches the clock each and every night and along with Holiday has become part of the Sixers own “dynamic duo”.
Evan Turner, SF 34 MIN | 6-16 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 13 PTS | -4

Last night I couldn’t decide overall whether or not Turner was forcing things too much or was simply unlucky.  He got a lot of clean/close/good looks and just could not get the ball to drop.  That’s unlucky in my opinion.  However I could be convinced that he was dropping his head too frequently last night and did a mediocre job of finding teammates.

Jrue Holiday, PG 39 MIN | 6-16 FG | 3-4 FT | 10 REB | 10 AST | 16 PTS | -3

A triple-double is amazing, but take a closer look at the stats and you’ll see why Holiday did not get an “A”.  He scored 16 points on an inefficient 16 FGAs (6-16 = 37.5%) and turned the ball over 6 times. And while his late 4th Q defense was outstanding, during most of the game, the tenacious Dragic made Jrue look slow and uninterested.

Jason Richardson, SG 19 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 4 PTS | -2

Uggghhh…He’s only a starter because of DC’s respect for his veteran leadership.

Dorell Wright, SF 30 MIN | 6-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | -2

A solid outing from Wright who seems to have rediscovered his scoring touch after taking the night off vs. GSW a couple games ago.  The alley-oop he caught from Jrue that cut the lead to 87-85 with 2 mins. remaining was a thing of beauty.  He also hit a huge 3-pointer in the late 3rd Q.

Spencer Hawes, C 24 MIN | 3-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 3 AST | 6 PTS | -8

Just a terrible shooting night by Spence.  When you’re a big that doesn’t rebound well or play solid defense, you have to provide some scoring punch and Spence failed to do that last night.

Royal Ivey, PG 4 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -7

Irrelevant.

Nick Young, SG 20 MIN | 3-7 FG | 4-4 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 12 PTS | +2

This is exactly the role I want to see NY cast in by DC.  One or two less running leaners and he would have gotten an A+ from me.

Kwame Brown, C DNP COACH’S DECISION MIN | FG | FT | REB | AST | PTS |

Did anyone else catch Kwame dancing to Gangnam Style??  That about sums up his time here in Philly.

Doug Collins

DC should not have waited until the 4 min mark of the 3rd to get Wright back into the game.  Also why the hell is Holiday on the bench for so long in the 4th.  I can’t believe I am saying this, why did Kwame get no burn last night?  DC claims he is the Sixers “physical” big man yet did not see fit to put him in the game as the PHX bangers were knocking our guys all over the place.  Finally, playing a short bench vs. LAL came back to haunt us last night in the 2nd game of the notorious road B2B.

After the Jump, Six Things We Saw Last Night…

1.  PHX grabbed control of this game right from the 2nd half jump.  The 7-6 came out cold in the 3rd Q — 2-for-their-first-8 with 2 turnovers.  Scola hit consecutive baskets and Jared Dudley added a 21-foot jumper to key an 8-2 run that put the Suns ahead 56-51 with 9:38 left in the third quarter.  The Sixers would never lead in this game again.

2.  While there is no doubt that Scola (19 of his 21 points in the 2nd half), Gortat (11 points and 14 rebs) and Dragic (20 pts. & a career-high 3 blocks — as many as the Sixers had as a team) simply killed the Sixers last night, I thought Shannon Brown hit us with two key buckets in the 4th Q of this game to keep the Suns in the lead.  With the Suns leading 79-74, ET missed a bunny and the Suns went the other way.  At the other end, Brown grabbed an OREB and put it back in (81-74).  Then with PHX leading 81-76, Wright missed a 3PA.  The Suns got the reb and called a TO.  Out of the timeout, Brown drilled a 22-footer (83-76).

3.  Closing out this game wasn’t pretty for the 7-6.  Holiday found Dorell Wright breaking down the left baseline from half-court for an alley-oop layup that pulled the 76ers within 87-85 with 2:16 to go.  Then Dragic made a pair of free throws, P.J. Tucker hit a 16-footer and the 76ers turned the ball over twice (including a 5 sec. call) over the next minute as the Suns opened a 91-85 lead.  GAME OVER.

4.  How far has former #2 overall pick (’08) Michael Beasley fallen?  Despite continuous chanting from Kansas State fans (in town for Thursday’s Fiesta Bowl against Oregon) for the former Wildcat to enter the game, Beasley saw only 7 mins of burn.  He did not play a lick vs. OKC in the Suns previous game and had only 2 points on 1-8 shootin in 10 mins. of run at Minny on 12/29.

5.  The Sixers bigs (Hawes, Allen & Brown) grabbed a total of 16 rebounds last night.  In case you did not hear, over New Year’s weekend, “Big Nik” pulled down 29 in a game for the Orlando Magic.  Vuc also had 20 & 12 last night vs. CHI.

6.  Unless there is a miracle in San Antoni or OKC, the Sixers will go 2-6 on this 8-game Ice Capades road trip.  Ugghhhh…


 
 
 

26 Responses to “GM 33: RAPID REACTS”

  1. Steve Toll
    3. January 2013 at 11:47

    Scola took 1 shot last night from within 7 feet of the basket and Gortat only made 1 shot after the 1st quarter.

    Lavoy+Hawes had 16 reb (5 offensive) in 60 minutes
    Scola+Gortat had 18reb (3 offensive) in 69 minutes

    Hawes missed 6 shots within 6 feet. This game was not lost by the front court of the 76ers as much is it was won by Scola.

    Holiday is on pace to be 10th all time in minutes through age 22.

    Absolutely agree with the Shannon Brown stuff.

    I would love for Beasley to come to Philadelphia, trade him for Nick Young. Beasley is not even 24 years old and can be salvaged/molded into an All-Star.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhcc7l3

    This is a great trade for both teams, Thoughts?

  2. Keith
    3. January 2013 at 12:02

    I don’t understand why Turner keeps getting a pass. The guy gives us 1 out of 3 good games. Last night was not one of those nights.

    As for Jrue’s minutes, the guy is 5th in the league and as Steve points out is playing an unprecedented amount. Maybe he was on the bench to get a rest.

    As for Kwame, we know he isn’t going to play every night. He is not in physical shape to be able to play every night so he is going to get games off. He isn’t nearly as bad as some of the people on this site make him out to be.

  3. Charlie
    3. January 2013 at 12:40

    I agree with the grades for the most part. I think Turner should be a little lower and Lavoy should be a little higher. Turner didn’t get his usual assists and boards and was very inefficient. Lavoy was better than stated above. Played good D on Gortat (I thought most of his points were in Spence). Also don’t think he should get so much blame for Scola, he barely guarded him (not one extended stretch). He shouldn’t get penalized because Spence could handle him and Thad was too small.

    Steve, interesting trade. I’m not a fan of taking player with character concerns so that would be my biggest issue. Also wouldn’t give up the contract flexibility of Swaggys 1 year deal and Evans 2. You’d be adding Dudley (best player in the deal IMO) for 4 years for the same amount of $ for 4 years and be locked up with Beas for 3 years. So youre locking up $10 min for the next 3 years for a rotation guy and someone who will get Kwame Brown like minutes from DC (if he plays him at all).

  4. Philadunkia
    3. January 2013 at 12:45

    kEITH,

    Maybe I was too easy on ET vs. PHX, but again I felt like he was a bit unlucky last night and a few more of his shots (decent looks) should have fallen. Quick question — Would you trade Turner for Cousins straight up?

    I understand the situation w/ Jrue’s minutes and how high they are this season. But in the 4th Q of a a very winnable game vs. an inferior opponent, he has to be on the court before the 6:24 mark. That goes double with road games vs. OKC & SAS looming.

    My shots on Kwame are not at Kwame. There are aimed at the Sixers front office for signing him to a ridiculous contract and for the way DC uses him. Also, he’s 30 yrs. old, not 36 or 38 like he seems/plays. There is no reason he should be getting nights off. That’s especially true when you see that he has only hauled 31 mins. in the previous 4 games TOTAL! That’s not a misprint — 31 ticks between 12/29 & 1/01, with 3 days off grouped in there!!!!!

    Thanks for reading & commenting.

    – C. Smith

  5. ken
    3. January 2013 at 13:01

    steve for once im guna agree with ya lol I like this trade it gets us a more quality shooter in Dudley over swaggy p and I feel like we can do something positive with Beasley. I wana throw a question to you and see what you think. is there a way we can tweak this trade to get gortat bc hes not happy with his situation there and we can finally have a post presence that rebounds and scores near the basket. heres a trade that I made what do you think.
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=azdec2e

  6. haygood
    3. January 2013 at 13:10

    @Steve, wouldn’t that trade put a dent in our supposed salary cap space this off season? Especially if the front office decides to use some of that money on JJ Hickson who I feel may be a better option than Beasley at this point

    I would trade Turner for Cousins in a New York minute.

    Let’s think about some of the moves that could have been made since DC has been the coach
    1. #2 pick Favors/Cousins/Monroe instead of Turner
    2. Faried instead of Vuc
    3. Trading Iggy to Toronto for Davis/Calderon/#8 pick last year that could have turned into Andre Drummond and our pick of Mo Harkless

    I’m over DC as the coach of this team.

  7. steve toll
    3. January 2013 at 13:15

    C. Smith,

    Philly would be a massive winner in a Jrue+Thad for Cousins deal, that answers the ET for Cousins question.

    Jrue had 6pts, 5reb, 5ast in the first 7 minutes of the game and he played 40mpg last night. Sitting him wasn’t exactly criminal as he wasn’t effective the other 33 minutes.

    The one guy I dont blame is Tony Dileo, who spent 9 million on Swaggy+Kwame this offseason instead of signing actual NBA players

  8. Adam
    3. January 2013 at 13:57

    @toll. Not a fan of that trade…. Taking on dudley an beasly doesnt appeal to me at all…. And turner probably has more upside than anyone else in that deal as well.

    Also, beasly and thad cant play together.

    Also, it doesnt help the teams real problems which are rebounding and team/interior defense.

  9. Adam
    3. January 2013 at 14:02

    Im not sure trading for cousins is smart…. Hes a year and a half away from what may be a big payday as a free agent and the dude screams derrick coleman more than zack randolph.

    I dont think trading valuable pieces like jrue and thad for him make any sense. Turner, id trade for him, and look for a 2guard in this years lottery.

  10. steve toll
    3. January 2013 at 14:35

    Ken,

    The problem is Gortat has a super valuable contractat 7 mil but He is a free agent after 13-14. Phoenix is very likely to hold on to him unless they get serious building blocks for the future which Hawes is not, compared to what other teams may offer later in the year near the trade deadline.

    Haygood,

    Lets assume that trade is done.

    Philly owns Bynum and Dorell’s bird rights, so they couod both be retained this offseason. Bird Rights mean you can sign your own free agents who meet certain parameters AND go over the salary cap.

    If Neither player is resigned, instead of having 13 million in cap space, assuming the cap is $60,000,000, the team has 9.5 million for free agents because Dudley+Beasley makes 3.5 mil more than ET next season.

    This notion of cap space next year if Bynum is not resigned is total rubbish. Yes, there is cap space but not game changing.

    As for JJ Hickson, I’d be shocked if Portland doesn’t resign him. He will be traded at the deadline if for some reason he is not a part of their plans going forward

  11. steve toll
    3. January 2013 at 14:51

    Adam,

    Beasley is younger than ET, are you aware of that? Dudley projects to be better than ET for AT LEAST this year and next year.

    Its alot easier to say that Thad and Beasley can’t play together than for it to actually be true.

    As for the interior issues, according to at least 1 person, the best C in the league is on the bench who will one day fix that problem, but until then Kwameeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Cousins has a higher ceiling than Z-BO. If tomorrow he is traded for ET, Philly will make the playoffs.

    Jrue+Thad make 18 million next year, DMC makes 5 million. Even I think that Dileo+DC use that money wisely enough to make the trade a HUGE win the for 76ers.

  12. Keith
    3. January 2013 at 15:40

    I actually would trade Turner for Cousins, as some of the others have already agreed.

    Good explanation on Kwame, the signing was terrible. I do agree with that.

    In terms of the drafting of Turner, wasn’t it Collins who wanted Favors and got overruled or outvoted? I may be remembering this wrong, so hopefully someone remembers.

  13. Larry Smith
    3. January 2013 at 16:12

    Too the writer keep your mouth off Nick Young. this is NY worse misstake, that Nick Young made. By coming to play for Iron city, Sixer” are the worse team in the league. Selfish a&& PG plays as SG. Never pass the ball to Nick Young, every 1 pretenting to be blind. ET is a moron. They rather lose, than make Nick apart off their offense. KEEP YOUR MOUTH OFF NICK YOUNG. Until you do right by NY.

  14. Steve Toll
    3. January 2013 at 16:29

    Keith,

    DC became coach, the team traded Dalembert for Hawes+Nocioni and drafted ET all in one week. That is one horrid week. DC knew who was getting drafted when he agreed to be coach.

    Larry Smith,

    No other team was dumb enough to pay SwaggyP 6 million dollars. It’s why he accepted his rookie qualifying offer instead of signing a multiyear deal and then signed here for 1 year. Making Nick Young a big part of any offense is a key to losing games.
    I know it’s lonely at SwaggyP4MVP.com but damnnnnnn

  15. ken
    3. January 2013 at 17:10

    lol larry your funny same goes for ny he tries to be the offense whenever he touches the ball doesn’t pass it and shoots turnaround fadeaway 15-20 foot jumpers that don’t hit iron 25% of the time that’s all you gota say as to why he doesn’t get the rock passed to him

  16. Datruth4life2.0
    3. January 2013 at 17:59

    Steve,

    I think a much better deal for the 76ers would Beasley, Gortat & Sebastian Telfair ($14.5M) for Thad and Hawes ($14.5M). If the Suns want a 3rd player, give them M. Waayns or Royal Ivey. Gortat is better than any big the 76ers have on the roster and could play 4 with a healthy Bynum. To me, Thad is not worth the average $9M salary you will pay him over the next 3 years. The 76ers better move him or else they will be stuck with a $9M a year player who is better suited coming off the bench than as a starter. And I still don’t understand your disdain for Turner. Look at his numbers this year and compare them to Iguodala and tell me what team is getting the better bang for the buck.

  17. ken
    4. January 2013 at 01:55

    da truth whats not to like with thads contract. hes doing awesome in the starting role and he doesn’t have any plays set up for him. hes averaging 15pts and almost 8rebs which is about what a 9mil a year person gets in the league nowadays. if the sixers really wana get their moneys worth they would start setting up some plays for him to get his average up to 19pts and last I looked 9mil a year is cheap for a person that averages 19pts 8rebs

  18. Jon in LA
    4. January 2013 at 02:07

    I would trade ET for Cousins. I like ET and his shooting can only improve, but his position is easier to fill. Not many big guys out there. And if Cousins really works out, we don’t need to worry about Bynum’s knees.

    But Jrue and Thad for Cousins? That’s stupid. I wouldn’t trade our two best players for a potential head case.

  19. Adam
    4. January 2013 at 08:25

    @toll

    Beasley being younger is irrelevent. Hes got more nba miles, has attitude issues, and has gotten worse year after year. Also, i dont think u can say dudley is better than turner… Thats simply just ur opinion…. Hes a better shooter… But this team needs a guy like turner for his ball handling and playmaking…. Holiday cant play all 48.

    Its also easy to say that thad and beasley can play together without making it true. Neither defend at a high level (beasley just doesnt defend at all)neither are great rebounders…. This is a big issue….

    If ur gonna bring bynum into the discussion, then we dont need to evn have a discussion. A healthy bynum changes everything very dramatically. Probably making et and jrue better and our shooters will be open more. Id be much less inclined to make any trade if bynums healthy.

    I dont care much for cousins ceiling. What i worry about is his floor (derrick coleman, eddy curry). As far as making the playoffs, im not sure why u think that… Cousins is anything but a winner at this point in his career. But yes, i would trade turner for cousins, but not thad and holiday. And if bynum was healthy, im not sure id trade for cousins at all.

    Theres really no desirable free agents this coming summer to make that deal all that enticing… Cap room is nice, bu if theyre not getting dwight howard, theres really no one else that will take this team past mediocrity.

  20. Steve Toll
    4. January 2013 at 08:54

    Datruth4life,

    It depends on highly Thad is thought of by the Suns organization but still unlikely. Obviously, that is a better deal for the 76ers because of getting Gortat, but mine is much more likely to happen.

    I think it’s much more likely that Gortat ends up in a place like Milwaukee, Toronto, or Denver

  21. ken
    4. January 2013 at 09:31

    adam the thing with Bynum is that hes showing that hes never guna be healthy for the rest of his career which makes him a risk year after year so why not get a player right now for cheap with a high ceiling with a coach that prob has one of the best chance outa any coach to tame him as insurance so then if Bynum works out we got id say the best front court in the league and if not we still have prob a top 5 def top 10 C in the league

  22. Steve Toll
    4. January 2013 at 10:31

    Ken,
    Unless Thad starts shooting the 3 ball, there is a lot to not like about his contract, especially come playoff time.

    Jon in LA,
    Is your position that Thad and Jrue are more valuable than DMC+$13,000,000 in cap space? If so, I’d hold off on using the word stupid as it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

    Adam,
    Age is irrelevant, WRONG. More NBA miles, LOL. Attitude Issues, OMG It’s Godzilla, runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. His situation has also gotten worse year after year.

    Awesome Logical Fallacy that ET is POSSIBLY better than Dudley because he fits a role for 10mpg at PG because this team was put together terribly EXCEPT that it dead wrong. Dudley’s career TS% is 58.3 (60.4 this year) ET is having a career year at 50.2% while shooting an unsustainable rate from 3. Dudley is a superior defender, far better offensive rebounder and is in his prime. His contract situation is also vastly superior to ET at 4.25 mil through 2016 with an ETO.

    More logical fallacy, Thad and Beasley aren’t good rebounders and that is a problem EXCEPT if Bynum is healthy. A Beasley+Thad combo at SF-PF, has the potential to be very good with the right coach and though I don’t love DC, he would be great for Beasley. It wouldn’t be hard for Beasley to turn the corner, he isn’t even 24 years old.
    Both can shoot the 3 effectively at 34%+, can guard both positions, rebound decently and score the basketball.

    Did you just say you WOULD trade ET for Cousins but might not if Bynum was healthy or am I taking crazy pills?

    It’s so very easy to understand why DMC would make this a playoff team, I refuse to even think someone needs an explanation.

    As for this comment, “Theres really no desirable free agents this coming summer to make that deal all that enticing… Cap room is nice, bu if theyre not getting dwight howard, theres really no one else that will take this team past mediocrity.”

    What cap room?

  23. Adam
    4. January 2013 at 13:21

    Ken, in theory, ure right. But i just dont trust cousins to stay in shape after the payday as an RFA…. Hes pathetically inefficient with his unreal low fg% for a center. I could be wrong, but thats just my intuition. Id be more inclined to trade turner for thomas robinson whos shown a lot less in the nba, but does have significant skills.

  24. Adam
    4. January 2013 at 13:35

    Toll,

    All those things i said, which u wrote off, are relevant whether u laugh at them or not.

    Ill stick with turner over dudley. Ill disagree about them defensively, cause id say turner is better on that end. And offensive rebounding is not something i want a guard to do at all.

    Your just flat out wrong about beasley, i dont even want to elaborate because i dont need to.

    I said it…. If bynum was healthy id want to see how holiday turner and thad play with him before making a big move.

    Explain to m how dmc makea us a playoff team? Is our core that much better than sacramentos? Cmon man…. Hes not a winner…. Not yet…. Possibly never will be.

  25. Steve Toll
    4. January 2013 at 15:48

    Adam,

    I responded to everyone of your points, ALL were wrong.
    You are wrong, I can’t convince you otherwise about Beasley.

    How do you measure defense, purely eye test?
    How many minutes of basketball have you watched Dudley play? What does ET do better on D than Dudley?

    LOL at possibly wanting to wait to see how a bad player, ET, meshes with Bynum+Thad+Jrue isnteaf of swapping him for a guy who will be considered a career disappointment if he doesn’t make the Hall of Fame in DMC

  26. ken
    5. January 2013 at 03:05

    adam you gota notice with DMC that on the kings he doesn’t have nearly as good of a pg as he would in holiday which would lead to easier shots and an increase in fg% not to mention hes trying to do it all on the kings including long distance jumpers which isn’t his game but he wont have to do that as much on the sixers bc we also have better shooters than the kings so again his fg% would go up

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