GM 39: (PISSED OFF) RAPID REACTS

Posted by: C. Smith
01/15/13 10:30 pm EST
New Orleans Hornets 111 FinalRecap | Box Score 99 Philadelphia 76ers
Lavoy Allen, PF 15 MIN | 4-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | -9

A nice shooting night by Lavoy, but his defense was atrocious and he grabbed ZERO rebounds in 15 ticks.  Unreal.

Thaddeus Young, SF 39 MIN | 6-18 FG | 0-1 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | -4

A terrible night shooting from Thad.  I’m not sure if the length of the Hornets bigs bothered him, but tonight he missed a lot of the mid-range shots he usually drills.  His energy and hustle were on par.

Evan Turner, SF 35 MIN | 5-12 FG | 3-4 FT | 7 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 14 PTS | -9

Offensively tonight was an improvement over the way Turner has been playing over the last ten games.  However, his defense has become suspect at best.

Jrue Holiday, PG 36 MIN | 10-17 FG | 5-5 FT | 5 REB | 11 AST | 4 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 29 PTS | -22

Coming off a great outing vs. HOU, Jrue posts an outstanding double-double (10th of the year) while committing only 4 turnovers.  The haters out there will say that he got toasted by Vasquez (IMO one of the most underrated PGs in the League), but I would argue that he had absolutely no help on the defensive end stopping the pick-&-roll and dribble penetration and that contributed heavily to Vasquez’s stats.

Jason Richardson, SG 20 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -12

I guess J-Rich needs two nights in a row off to produce anything of value.

Spencer Hawes, C 21 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 5 PTS | -9

21 minutes — 2 boards…That’s simply ridiculous to me.  When you’re 7-feet tall you should grab 10 every night by accident.

Kwame Brown, C 7 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +9

(Graded on the Kwame curve of course) I’m not sure if I should make fun of Hawes here for grabbing the same number of boards as this stiff in triple the minutes or make a Kwame has a pulse joke.  I’ll just move on.

Royal Ivey, PG 10 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 3 PTS | -8

Mehhhh

Damien Wilkins, SG 19 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -7

I was expecting more, especially on the defensive end.

Nick Young, SG 12 MIN | 6-9 FG | 0-1 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +6

All of you in the Swaggy fan club can puff your chest out for one night.  I will admit that he was fun to watch tonight, but let’s make a note that his scoring outburst came in the 4th Q with the game out of reach.  Even with Swaggy’s amazing display of scoring in the 4th, the Sixers were only able to get the Sixers within 9.

Doug Collins

I’m giving DC an “A” for simply putting up with this inconsistent group.  I would have lost my mind and quit by now.

After the Jump, Six Things We Saw…

1.  The 76ers defense was simply awful tonight and I don’t want to hear about how “hot” the Hornets were in this game. Too many teams suddenly get “hot” vs. the Sixers.  They can not defend the 3-ball, the pick-&-roll or dribble penetration. It’s really sad to watch.  The NOH average 91 ppg. and the Sixers allowed them to put up 111points on 53% shooting and 55% from deep.  The Hornets shot 76% from the field in the 1st Q.

2.  Speaking of the 1st Q…Could the Hornets have gotten off to any better of a start?  I don’t think so.  They were 16-21 from the field and scored 35 points thanks to fast starts from Vasquez and Eric Gordon.

3.  Since we are on the topic of Eric Gordon…Did he look hurt to ayone else out there in Philadunkia nation?  IMO Gordon looked completely healthy and has not missed a beat — 19 points on 7-14 shooting.  Gordon looked quick and seemed to have his full offensive arsenal tonight.

4.  The Sixers bigs (hawes & Lavoy) grabbed 3 rebounds in 36 minutes of play.  That’s 1 rebound every 18 minutes. According to Jim Lynam in the post game show, NBA bigs should grab a rebound every 4 minutes.  So we’re way behind the NBA norm on that one.  For comparisons sake “Big Nik” grabbed 13 in 33 minutes on Monday night for Orlando.

5.  In case you missed it, DC absolutely lost his sh** in the post game presser.  To start with, DC took a long, long time to get to the podium tonight.  Not sure what was said in the locker room, but it could not have been good time for players.  Then at the post game presser DC was clearly frustrated, make that exhausted, by this team’s inconsistent effort (especially on the defensive end).  Then DC was sent over the top when one of the main stream media guys asked him if this team, “was tuning him out”.  I’ll post the video ASAP.  The death stare the offending media member received as DC left the podium was scary.  I fully expected DC to have some parting words with the guy, but unfortunately nothing materialized.

6.  After Swaggy’s 4th Q outburst (with some help from Wright) got the Sixers within 9 points, the NOH went on a 8-2 run and put this one away…The Sixers have not won two in a row since Nov. 30th…NOH hit 10 3PAs…The Sixers knocked down six 3-pointers in the 1st Q, a team high for any quarter this season….


 
 
 

23 Responses to “GM 39: (PISSED OFF) RAPID REACTS”

  1. Steve Toll
    15. January 2013 at 22:46

    Jrue outplayed Vasquez tonight despite being -19 and Vasquez being +13

    New Orleans is one of the worst teams in the NBA at defending the corner 3 and DC didn’t do enough tonight exploit that…………. Actually, I wonder if DC was actually aware of that????

    SwaggyP was awesome and ET still sucks.

    The team is not good and there is nothing DC can do about it especially considering that the team has OVERPERFORMED this year.

  2. cool whip
    15. January 2013 at 23:31

    For once I agree with everything you said Steve Toll, except for the part about Turner. I think he’s playing the wrong role, imo we need a bonafide scorer to pair with Jrue and Turner allowing Turner to play 3rd/4th wheel and Jrue to facilitate. When Turner is one of our top 3 options it’s easier for the other team to defend him.

  3. Steve Toll
    16. January 2013 at 00:18

    Cool Whip,

    Why was ET so bad his first 2 seasons?

  4. Shawn
    16. January 2013 at 00:31

    I cant help but think that some of this team’s struggles stem from something Doug Collins continuously said during the preseason. He said that they would practice, and instill offense and defense as if they had Bynum…the thing is they still dont have Bynum, or anyone that can come close to bringing what he does to a gameplan.

    And then tonight he talks about not having enough practice time with everyone. That is a cop out. Maybe he shouldn’t have wasted time preparing this team to play a style of basketball that they cannot play. He has set this group up to fail dating back to the preseason, by having them play a style of basketball they are not equipped to play without Bynum.

  5. RYN_JAY
    16. January 2013 at 00:50

    It’s time to tank lol. It’s lottery time.

  6. cool whip
    16. January 2013 at 01:26

    Steve,

    The inconsistent playing time coupled with the fact that he was still a raw player. There is no doubt in my mind that ET would be a better player right now if he had experienced more time on the court during his first 2 seasons.

  7. Rob
    16. January 2013 at 01:46

    Shawn,
    They changed that on like day 2 of training camp, with or without him they were going to try and push te ball and not wait for him.

  8. Fu
    16. January 2013 at 02:13

    involuntary tanking… that’s scary!

    average teams as the 7-6 need to focus on defense. that’s what such teams do the improve their change of winning. for whatever reason, this season is very different from last one.

    ET was supposed to take on Iggy’s role on D. instead his game seems to concentrate on offense (sometimes with success, sometimes not). above all, he’s rarely assigned to the opposing teams’ biggest offensive threat!?

    there is something I don’t get as per the team’s general chemistry. DC probably probably needs to re-shuffle his depth chart, including at least giving a try with Thad at SF. if that works, this may motivate the management in getting a BIG man who can actually get 0.25 rebound per minute.

  9. Steve Toll
    16. January 2013 at 09:30

    RYN_JAY,

    This is a 50+ loss team without Bynum, tanking isn’t necessary.

    Shawn,

    It doesn’t matter what the gameplan is at this point.

    Cool Whip,
    Name 1 other player who you think because of “inconsistent playing time coupled with the fact that he was still a raw player” had similar circumstances as ET and ended up succeeding

    In what ways do you think he would be better?

    FYI, here are 2 guys who were awesome in limited minutes and have continued that awesomeness with increased playing time:
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/loveke01.html
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anderry01.html

    What’s the difference between these 2 guys and ET in your opinion?

    Fu,

    The 76ers aren’t close to average. It doesn’t matter what they do at this point. Their recipe for winning games is simple: Play Good and hope the other team plays bad.

    ET was never going to be close to elite and anyone who thought he might be needs to get their eyes checked.

    The team has close to 0 chance of getting an effective big man unless they are willing to do something smart; Trade Bynum

  10. ms. haygood
    16. January 2013 at 10:16

    DC can complain and give death stares all he wants but it’s his fault, in a league that plays small and dominated by long athletic big men, that the 6ers have the slowest least athletic front court in the league. and that’s not going to change if/when Bynum comes back. the organization put together a team with no dominant rebounder on it but also put a team together that was designed to take a lot of jumpshots, that doesn’t make sense. a jump shooting team will miss a lot of shots. all of the big men on this team are a bunch of soft, slow, jump shooting, easily pushed around WUSSIES!!!!
    they cannot defend anything!!!. I’m sure i can get to lane and score lay-ups against this team.
    not to mention Turner is slow, out of shape, and not athletic in the least and is playing the position with the most talent in the league SF. I was never a huge fan of Iggy but if people thought ET was gonna be able to defend the players at that position in this league the way Andre did, I don’t know what you were watching his first two years in the league. the guy is just not athletic at all!!!!!!
    Thad is a better guy suited to come of the bench and provide a spark not be your starting PF day in day out.
    The organization needs to realize, they need a coach in here that has the skills and patience to build a young team, and start over!!!

  11. ken
    16. January 2013 at 12:34

    cool whip
    why do you call evan turner a raw player? he came in to the league “NBA ready” he spent all 4 years in college he had enough experience comin outa college this is all hes got which is unfortunate bc we wasted a 2nd pick on him instead of DMC(who I wanted from the start of that years draft) or favors.

    ms. haygood
    its def time for a new everything. we finally got new owners that wana win and make this team better so its time to get rid of everything from the pre josh harris era which includes our front office people and out head coach. DC just doesn’t seem to get that we have a rebounding issue and drafted a rebounding hawk from college but wont play him or our only physical big man that wants to bump in the paint for rebounds. our front office people just don’t seem to do a good job at not only evaluating our draft talent bc ive seen only 2-3 good draft picks in the last like 8-9 years and they do a horrible job negotiating in the offseason like hoe can we bring in players like Kwame and nick young for more money then better players like oj mayo or people that aren’t even playing now like k-mart or chris anderson

  12. Jon in LA
    16. January 2013 at 14:00

    Steve,

    OJ Mayo comes to mind. Do I think ET is going to be OJ? No, but you can become better on a different team with more minutes and a different role. Hell, look at Vuc in Orlando.

    But yeah, Turner is never going to be an elite and he plays a position that we can replace. Unless he really gets his mind right and starts shooting a million jump shots in the off season, we might be better off trading him for a draft pick.

  13. cool whip
    16. January 2013 at 15:11

    Steve, two words

    OJ Mayo

  14. Steve Toll
    16. January 2013 at 19:46

    Jon in LA and Cool Whip,

    Thank you for proving my point. OJ Mayo is the ultimate casual fan answer and it is WRONG. His first 2 years in the league he played 38mpg and the next 2 years he played 28mpg.

    The biggest reason for his “improvement” this year in 35.7 MPG, which is LESS than his first 2 years, is that he is currently shooting 43.3% from 3 after shooting at 37.5% the first 4 seasons.

    In Mayos last 10 games he is 17-54 from 3, 31.5%, which is just a regression back to the mean.

    His 2nd biggest reason for improvement is that has decreseaed his attempts from 16-23 feet from his previous 4 years. Reason 3, is that he has a career high in assists.

    OJ Mayo is basically the exact same player this year as his first 4 seasons. He has made some slight cosmetic improvements but that is part variance and part of a better gameplan on a nightly basis with a more prepared team.

    Hope that cleared things up

  15. Steve Toll
    16. January 2013 at 19:53

    Ken,
    Cool Whip is just picking straws about ET. Moultrie is totally useless, there is a reason he isn’t playing and it is nowhere similar to Vucevic last season. The new owners were afraid to clear house and the team is pretty screwed for the next few seasons unless they get super lucky.

  16. Ron
    16. January 2013 at 23:37

    Don’t feel too bad; we just beat the Celtics by 12, too!

  17. Sean
    17. January 2013 at 10:21

    ET is not a great nba player. good all around but not great and def not a scorer…. defensively i think we miss bynum in the middle, but also we have to miss iggy on the perimeter. sorry turner but you cant fill that role as top perimeter defender. and i wouldnt even mind having the old chevy down low. he does more than hawes and lavoy

  18. Jon in LA
    17. January 2013 at 12:22

    Steve Toll,

    Your rebuttal proved our point. “…part of a better gameplan on a nightly basis with a more prepared team,” and his improvement in 3pts and assists.

    So he’s gotten better in shooting, in a better position on a better team, and is overall better. So why couldn’t ET improve his shooting, change his role slightly on this team, and with Bynum back, he be a better player? He’s not going to change to an elite player, but he can be better. Anyone can.

  19. gabe
    17. January 2013 at 15:08

    i’m running out of hope that the sixers can hang in there much longer without bynum, but if they are going to, doug has to make some adjustments.

    we need to at least go .500 during this home-stand to stay close enough to milwaukee. it won’t be easy, but it is possible.

    first of all, all jokes aside, kwame brown needs to be getting minutes. sadly, he’s the only bruiser we have on this team without bynum, and he’s our best rebounder. did collins really bring him in to only play significant minutes against the lakers and then have him ride the bench the rest of the time?

    honestly, i would like to see him starting games alongside thad, and let lavoy and spencer come off the bench.

    at this point i don’t think many people are questioning turner’s mediocrity. he is a mediocre athlete, defender, and shooter. he doesn’t do anything that particularly well. every once in a while he will make a pull up jumper, an open corner three or take advantage of a smaller guy guarding him down low, but the most consistent thing he does is get out of control and throw up an awful shot.

    maybe bynum coming back will put him in a role he can succeed in. maybe one day he will turn a corner, or maybe our insistence on playing him heavy minutes will result in someone else actually wanting to trade for him.

    but at this point evan turner is nothing but a bust. he plays frantically out of control, whines constantly, and leaves me crying that we drafted him over paul george :( i can’t believe john mitchell actually thinks the kings would trade us demarcus cousins for him.

    the first game of the season turner didnt’t reach 30 minutes. that’s something i wouldn’t mind seeing more often, especially when he isn’t having a good night.

    it might even be a good idea to bring him off the bench. start the game with kwame manning the middle and bring in another shooter to start the game. why not start games w j rich and dorell wright spreading the floor for jrue and thad to operate early in the game, and see if we can’t get our shooters going from deep?

    i doubt doug will consider bringing turner off the bench, but at the very least he needs to free kwame. we are just way too soft on the inside for him to be watching.

    i love the shelvin mack signing. i hope this means dorell wright won’t be running point anymore.

    also, it was great to see nick young play well when his number was finally called. hopefully getting the DNP the other night woke him up. we need him and the rest of our shooters to start hitting their shots, but we also need doug to put them in positions to succeed.

    nick, dorell, and j rich need to be put in positions where their job offensively is to catch and shoot.

    we need to be setting jrue picks all day and letting him make plays for others.

    when nick young d wright and j rich are put in positions where they have to create for themselves or others or u have them playing pick and roll basketball they are not going to succeed and neither are the sixers.

    every game the sixers lose doug talks about the team’s inconsistency. but why are we inconsistent? Part of it is certainly because there is no consistency from doug collins in regards to his rotations.

    one night he’s talking about sending moultrie to the d league then the next night he’s playing in the first quarter.

    you have kwame starting some games early in the season and playing decently well and then he disappears from the rotation for a month.

    one night u don’t play royal ivey and another night he plays the entire fourth quarter.

    when jrue missed games, nick young started. then damien wilkins and ivey are playing over him lately.

    one must establish rotation and role consistency before expecting consistency from the team.

  20. Steve Toll
    18. January 2013 at 00:16

    Jon in LA,

    You are hopeless. The 3pt shooting is variance and he plays for a better coached team. Mayo is naturally going to improve a bit but he is the same player as his first 4 seasons albeit with slight improvements.

    The difference between Mayo and ET is that Mayo has been ~average from day 1 while alot younger and ET has been outright horrible

  21. Frank
    18. January 2013 at 00:30

    The problem is that ET is a player who needs to have the ball in his hands in order to be effective. But his having the ball in his hands is detrimental to the team. Maybe one day he will realize how terrible of a player he is and have a nice Damien Wilkins type role for the rest of his career. However, almost admirably, he still thinks he is one of the best players on the court.

  22. Steve Toll
    18. January 2013 at 00:33

    Gabe,

    .500 over this home stand through the game against the clippers is a pipe dream. 6-10 would have to be considered a success at this point. Hawes is actually the teams best rebounder. ET has been horrible for 5000 minutes, Bynum isn’t going to make a difference.

    Jon Mitchell, LOL, his colums are hilarious in a sad way, he is barely lucid and you are right, the future would be wayyyyyyyyyyyyy different with Paul George.

    Mack totally sucks, Dorell Wright had 36 games with 4+ assists the previous 2 seasons and he can score. The team would be much better off with him playing point forward and Mack never playing.

    Nick Young is horrible, J-Rich is old and getting worse, Dorell is better than average+should be playing 35mpg.

    Kwame, SwaggyP, Mack/Maalik, Moultrie, Royal, Wilkins, ET, Hawes and Lavoy all suck most nights….. That is probably the issue

    The rotation should be in competitive games:
    36mpg for Jrue, Dorell, Thad
    30mpg for Hawes, Lavoy
    18mpg for ET, J-Rich, SwaggyP
    6mpg: Kwame, Royal, Wilkins

  23. gabe
    18. January 2013 at 14:52

    steve,

    i assume your talking statistically about spencer being the better rebounder, but he is undoubtedly softer inside. we need brown’s presence to start games. he had some decent starts for us early in the year. a solid win at home against utah comes to mind when brown did a solid job on al jefferson. also spencer would surely pick up two quick fouls (maybe only deserving one of the two). i think for this team we can afford to play kwame 10+ minutes and use his 6 fouls.

    i think it would drastically improve our offense to put dorell wright in the starting lineup over turner but doug will never consider such a thing. the other problem with the way the sixers play is when they swing the ball around the perimeter, they rarely do it fast enough to get the open shot and allow guys to get back to their assignments. that is partly where dorell wright’s assists have come from in his years with golden state where they used to be one of the most uptempo teams in the league and had great ball rotation on the perimeter.

    i don’t want him handling point guard duties. he is terrible at finishing around the rim, always throwing up something soft. i’d rather see turner or mack handling pg duties than him. 36 minutes seems a bit much to me but i do think he deserves to play a lot more than he has been.

    all good teams swing the ball well around the outside and get the corner three looks, good looks at the basket.

    we have 12 games left before the all-star break, as follows

    toronto, san antonio, @milwaukee, knicks, grizzlies, wizards, kings, magic, pacers, bobcats, clippers, @milwaukee

    we’ve beaten toronto 2 out of 3 times so far. we absolutely need to win tonight.

    san antonio is a likely loss.

    @bucks tough game on a back to back. we are definitely capable of beating the bucks if we show up defensively. it will be a tough one for sure but it’s definitely winnable.

    new york is likely a loss though they will likely still be without felton.

    grizzlies will be a tough game, but we did beat them last time behind solid games from jrue and dorell wright.

    wizards at home is very winnable.

    kings at home is very winnable.

    magic at home is very winnable.

    the pacers are a very tough team, but we hung in there without jrue playing them earlier in the season. also, so far every team we have lost to without jrue, we have beaten with him since then (rockets, lakers, mavericks)

    bobcats at home is very winnable.

    clippers is a likely loss.

    @bucks another tough game, but definitely winnable.

    i don’t see why it’s crazy to think we can go 6-6 headed into the all star break, with wins at home vs. toronto, washington, sacramento, orlando, charlotte, and a win at milwaukee right before the break. i’m not saying it will happen but we could definitely do it.

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