Posted by: C. Smith
05/22/13 10:30 am EST

Back in 1993, the Orlando Magic rocketed from their slotted #11 position to the first overall pick in the draft thanks to the NBA’s ping-pong ball lottery system.

Last night, the 76ers were not fortunate enough to see that Draft Lottery miracle repeated 20 years later.  As you know by now, the Sixers officially own the #11 pick in the 2013 NBA Draft, which is exactly where the odds said they would end up.  The tie shunning Joshua Harris seemed about as thrilled as everyone else in Philadunkia nation with the outcome.

“We had a small probability of being super happy and a small probability of being slightly sad.  We’re neither.  We’re right where we were expected to be,” a weary and somewhat disheveled looking Harris commented.

To be honest, it’s not the most exciting draft position to be in, but after the jump, we’ll take a look at some facts about and ideas for the 11th pick in the 2013 NBA Draft.


Here’s is a look at the last 10 years worth of players selected at #11:

’12:  Meyers Leonard

’11:  Klay Thompson

’10:  Cole Aldrich

’09:  Terrence Williams

’08:  Jerryd Bayless

’07:  Acie Law

’06:  JJ Redick

’05:  Fran Vasquez

’04:  Andris Biedrins

’03:  Mickael Pietrus

’02:  Jared Jefferies

That’s not exactly a list of future Basketball Hall of Fame members.  However there were a couple of solid NBA players chosen in those 10 years, so the Sixers need to come home with nothing less than that on Draft night.


Here’s a look at who the various NBA Draft experts are projecting the Sixers will select at #11:

HoopsHype:  Kelly Olnyk (C; 7-0 & 225; Gonzaga)

nbadraft.net:  Kelly Olnyk

SI.com:  Kelly Olnyk

Draftexpress.com:  Cody Zeller (PF/C; 7-0 & 230; Indiana)

ESPN.com:  Cody Zeller

NBA.com:  Mason Plumlee (PF; 6-11 & 245; Duke)


Quotes from Josh Harris:

  • “It’s an important decision,” Harris said of finding the Sixers next head coach.  “If you get the right coach really fast, that’s better.  But at the end of the day, you want the right coach.  We’re not putting a deadline on it.  It doesn’t work to your advantage because the reality is we have a lot of talented coaches on the staff right now.  Some of them have been head coaches, so we’re trying to get the right coach, not to get a coach quickly.”
  • “I don’t want to comment on Bynum specifically, but it’s all interrelated,” Harris said.  “Over the next weeks and months we’re going to get more articulate about our strategy.  Sam has been here for a week and he’ll be speaking about our basketball strategy.  It’s all interrelated.  All of this stuff has to be focused on building a winner.  Every decision you make has multiple affects on every other decision.”

Here’s a Video of Sixers managing owner Josh Harris following last night’s Draft Lottery where the 7-6 officially secured 11th overall pick.  Doesn’t this guy have enough money that he can afford to take some media training classes?  Maybe Molly Sullivan could help Josh out.

Dei Lynam of csnphilly.com also posted this video interview with Harris.


Philadunkia Notes:

  • The No. 11 draft pick is slotted to make roughly $1,930,000 in year one.
  • Five Eastern Conference teams (CLE; WAS; ORL; CHA; DET) draft ahead of the Sixers in 2013.  However, no Atlantic Division squad picks before the 7-6, so we have that going for us – which is nice.
  • With the Kings now staying in Sacto, rumors are all over the various NBA sites and on Twitter that the organization is looking to move Demarcus Cousins.  Would you trade the #11 pick to the Kings for Cousins?  Would you throw in Evan Turner if they asked for him as well?
  • According to Brian Windhorst (@WindhorstESPN), The Cavaliers have $20 million in cap space, 2 first round picks (No. 19, No. 31), as well as the No. 33 and interest in improving fast, so they will investigate trade options with No. 1 pick.  Is there a package the Sixers could assemble to move into the #1 spot?
  • In addition to the 11th pick, the Sixers also hold the rights to the 35th and 42nd picks in this June’s draft.


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46 Responses to “A LOOK AT #11”

  1. Alex
    22. May 2013 at 10:55

    They will bring Bynum back if they hear some positive indications on his health. Count on it. Cousins is a pipe dream. Sac will never do it. ET to cavs for Number one is a possibility especially since this draft is terrible even projected number ones are not that good.

  2. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 11:45

    Can someone please photoshop and make a 2 face of the above Harris picture and the awesome Bynum picture half corn row/half fro from that practice interview?

    It would be the highlight of this offseason

  3. Ransom
    22. May 2013 at 11:49

    In what world would the Cavs trade #1 for Evan Turner?

  4. Jon in LA
    22. May 2013 at 12:11

    Turner for the Cav’s #1 would never happen. This draft isn’t great, but you never know. With Turner, you already know.

    I’d take Olnyk. For some reason I think he might have a sneaky career. If we could get a 14pg PF/C, I’d be happy. I mean, that’s an improvement right?

  5. Ransom
    22. May 2013 at 12:39

    I do not like Olnyk honestly. I don’t really like anyone that’s gonna be around at 11. Although, after the combine, Zeller impressed me. If he can come into workouts and show off a decent 18 foot jumper like he and his agent are claiming, i might be sold.

  6. Philadunkia
    22. May 2013 at 12:39

    Jon in LA,

    I wouldn’t be thrilled with Olnyk, but as long as the Sixers don’t take Rudy Gobert, I’ll live with whatever choice they make. Everyone I talk with who was in Chicago was very unimpressed with Gobert…
    “Very thin”.
    “Can’t hold his spot.”
    “Gets pushed around”
    and “Limited offensive game”

    …were just a few of the negative comments I was given.

    Thanks for reading and commenting.

    — C. Smith

  7. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 13:14


    whatever drugs you’re taking, I want

    Jon in LA,

    Give Spencer Hawes a chance, he can ball

  8. Steve
    22. May 2013 at 13:42

    If there was even the slightest chance of the kings giving us cousins for the pick and ET please do. Throw in lavoy kwame or hawes while their at it.

  9. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 13:48



  10. Hank
    22. May 2013 at 14:23

    Wait, are we still operating under the assumption that Evan Turner has actual trade value? Uh, if that’s the case, we should have moved him by now…

    If we can use our pick to snag a likely-lottery team’s unprotected first rounder in next year’s draft then I’d jump all over it. Not particularly interested in moving up this year, though.

    If we stand pat I wouldn’t mind snagging Zeller. Standing reach short of 9′ is a concern, but he was successful in two years at Indiana and I still can’t get over those athletic numbers. He already has a passable mid range game, and he’s a 75% free throw shooter, so seems like he’s a good fit as an NBA 4.

  11. Ransom
    22. May 2013 at 14:27

    Thad Young, Evan Turner, 11th Pick for Demarcus Cousins, John Salmons (cap reasons) and a future 1st. Done and Done.

  12. ken
    22. May 2013 at 14:34

    I like the idea of trying to trade up for the 1st overall pick if Cleveland is looking to trade it. what do you think it would take to get that 1st overall pick and who would you take? maybe something along the lines of 11th pick 35th pick and ET will get it done and id want them to draft noel but id still be happy with mclemore

  13. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 14:50

    Nobody Honestly Thinks That ET Has Trade Value.

    When Someone Brings Up Philly TURNED DOWN Josh Smith For ET+Hawes My Defacto Response Is To Punch That Person On The Face.

    Youre Right About Zeller. He Is A Legit NBA 4

    We Can Def Ship Lavoy And Hawes For Seperate 1St Rd Picks

  14. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 14:54

    haaaaaaaaa SAC would Never Do That


    Jrue+Thad+#11 Pick And Cleveland Says YES.

    anything Less And They Say no

  15. Alex
    22. May 2013 at 15:10

    I take whatever you sell.

    lets set this straight. Demarcus Cousins is cancer. Sixers should never give Thad Young and a bunch of player for a guy who can be out of this league 3 years from now.
    Draft is garbage top to Bottom, Why do you need Kelly Olnyk or Zeller if you have Hawes, He is much better than both.
    2013 Free Agents are not worth spending cap$$ on!!!
    Sixers need to stay with current Roster and get ready for draft and Free Agents 2014

  16. Kevin
    22. May 2013 at 15:22

    People need to realize you don’t fix a team in one year with the 11th pick.

    I would like to see them get McCollum. Pair him with Jrue Holiday and you have a nice 1-2 combo at guard.

    Start Thad at the SF and have him work on perimeter game.

    See what Moultrie and Hawes can do as the C and PF.

    See what Turner can do without Collins, consider a trade is possible.

    Play the young guys and look for a top three pick in the 2014 draft. The 2014 draft is the draft(Wiggins, Smart, Parker)

    A very young starting 5.
    Hawes – 25
    Moultrie -22
    Young – 24
    McCollum – 21
    Holiday – 22

  17. Ransom
    22. May 2013 at 16:35


    you really don’t think they would? They would save a shit ton of money after this season. They’ve been trying, to unload Salmon’s shitty contract for over a year now. They’ve rather publicly shopped Cousins 3 times in the past calendar year (in NBA code that means: they want to trade him).

    Meanwhile, they new ownership and their old coach has/has talked, ad nauseum, about “changing locker room culture” Their biggest problem there currently is Cousins. Ya know who’s the opposite of a bad locker room guy? Thad Young. And they get to roll the dice on whatever potential Turner had as the #2 pick (We in Philly know that’s bogus but you see teams do moves for just that logic alllll the time). with NO risk, they can let him walk at the end of the year for more cap room. And the 11th pick, is well…the 11th pick. It may be a down year, but for a team like Sacto looking to turn themselves around, having two lotto picks in one year is a nice luxury….

  18. Ransom
    22. May 2013 at 16:40


    Alright, I’ll bite. Look up the metrics that say Cousins isn’t the 4-5th best center in the NBA last season…go ahead, i’ll wait. Oh, and he’s 22. Oh and everyone who knows him, even guys that think he’s a nut, won’t argue that he doesn’t play his butt off in games and practice. If you have to take a hot-head, that’s the kind I want. Most of the negative descriptors of him, would have fit Barkley and other greats.

    Go back and read the near-draft stuff for him. Everyone from Kentucky LOVES the dude. Now, to be fair, you put a guy like that in one of the worst run franchises in the NBA with a bunch of other quasi-cancerous players and carousel of mediocre to bad coaches …now you have an issue.

    But hey, if you don’t think the Sixers need a center who can average 17+ and 10+ at age 22 then you might want to take issue with Bynum first…oh wait, he didn’t do that either.

    You want to take the bet that he’ll be outa the league in 3 years, go ahead name an amount.

  19. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 16:47


    You did suggest that ET for the #1 pick could happen….. Safe to assume you’re on some good stuff

    If Demarcus Cousins is healthy and not in the NBA in 3 years, It will be because of either the total collapse of the financial system or the apocalypse.

    If the 76ers could trade Jrue+Thad for DMC, it would be a positive trade for the Sixers organization and a negative for the Kings…

  20. Adam
    22. May 2013 at 17:33

    The top of this draft isnt good enough to warrant trading up…. Id give up thad, et, and/or hawes to move up, but also to save some cap room. Lol.

    Is nerlens noel really gonna be worth 6mil over his rookie deal? I doubt it.

    This pf from croatia, saric may be the best player in this draft and he will be there at 11

  21. Jon in LA
    22. May 2013 at 18:17

    When I said I’d take Olnyk, I meant it as if we ended up with him, I wouldn’t be mad. Not that he’s my first choice or someone I’d really push to get. But I don’t think it would be a wasted pick. I mean, the guy shot 65% from the field. That’s got to translate into something.

    And the whole wingspan this is stupid. Wingspan is measure fingertip to fingertip. So if you have long arms and a thinner chest, you might have the same wingspan as a guy with short arms and a wider chest. If you’re wingspan is 4 inches shorter than normal, that’s 4 inches spread out. Not that huge of a deal.

    Steve, Hawes is cool, but I’d still take another big man. Move Thad to the three and go TWIN TOWERS!!!

  22. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 22:33


    White Wings From Europe Land FaiL A Ridiculously High % Of The time

  23. Steve Toll
    22. May 2013 at 22:45


    New Owners, GM, Coach In SAC. That Is A Massive Culture Change In And Of itself.

    DMC Is A Mega Elite NBA Asset. ThE New Owners Arent Giving That Up.

    Ill Say It Again; Jrue+Thad+11th Pick Would Be A Loss For SAC AnD A Huge Win For Philly

  24. ken
    23. May 2013 at 02:21

    I like the idea of trying to get McCollum but from what it looks we would need to get into the 7-9 range to get him what kinda trade do you think it would take to move up that little bit to get him

  25. Ransom
    23. May 2013 at 07:24


    Actually, wingspan is one of the measurements that means the most. For bigs, standing reach (which obviously involves arm length) matters more than height because well, you block/contest shots with your hands not your head, the higher they are the better.

    And for guards, same thing, plus ability to steal, length matters, more than most things. Look at guys like Rondo

  26. ms. haygood
    23. May 2013 at 09:45

    Another athletically challenged white guy playing center for the 6ers…YAY!!!…I don’t care how athletic Zeller looked at the combine he got pushed around all year in COLLEGE!! by guys like Mbakwe from Minny, he may be able to play a stretch four in this league but he’ll be a bench guy. No thanks on Olnyk, or the aloof Gobert. Steve Adams maybe if we trade back, but the kids a project. I would draft old a$$ Dieng over all these guys, if the 6ers chose to go big.

  27. Ransom
    23. May 2013 at 09:46


    Oh I agree about Cousins being a mega asset. But what are your thoughts then on why he’s been on the block and in trade rumors so many times? I mean, the obvious answer is to gauge value. But, why do that if, as you suggest, no way they would trade him?

    In conclusion, isn’t it really sad that 3 years ago, the Sixers would have laughed the Kings off the phone if they offered the # 5 pick for the #2…and now…

  28. Steve Toll
    23. May 2013 at 12:06


    Rondo actually sucks on D now, but you’re right about everything else

  29. Jon in LA
    23. May 2013 at 13:04


    Size does matter. But it’s less important that how a player plays. Why is a player all of a sudden a concern when they measured his wingspan? Was he good at blocking shots before? Shouldn’t that matter more?

    People fall in love with combine numbers before its something we can measure and talk about. Also, we can use them to make arguments to make writers seem smarter than they are. Hey check out this guy! He’s got a wingspan. Granted, he wasn’t able to use that for any basketball purposes, but it’s numbers! Oh, this guy was a beast in the paint. Shot a great percentage. But now that we used a ruler on him, he’s probably not so good anymore. Isn’t IQ, reaction time, and toughness more important than wingspan?


  30. Adam
    23. May 2013 at 13:19

    Toll, black wings from america fail a ridiculously high % of the time as well…..

    And saric is killin it right now overseas in his leagues playoffs.

  31. Adam
    23. May 2013 at 13:23

    Toll, im surprised ur so willing to ignore all the res flags surrounding cousins.

    The immaturity, the coaching issues, the past precedent of guys like derrick coleman and eddy curry…. What if this kid gets a big payday and just gets fat which isnt exactly unlikely. He just doesnt seem interested in being a winner.

  32. Ransom
    23. May 2013 at 14:03


    Of course, everything must be taken in context. You need look no further than the classic Durant Bench pressing thing. BUT, neither can you overlook the raw number, especially for certain things.

    “was he good at blocking shots before” if the answer is yes, maybe it means he will continue to be good, or maybe it means he was good against the types of sizes and athletes that he played against in college (read: smaller, slower, less athletic, less well trained).

    Now, if player A is an undersized good shot blocker and player B is an ideally sized mediocre shot blocker, NBA execs would tend toward player B because there is hope you can teach him some of the things player A already knows. If player A winds up to small/unathletic for the pros, ain’t nothing you can do.

    Ultimately, no matter how good in college, undersized, under-athletic (for a position) dudes who produced well in college don’t have an awesome track record in the NBA…

  33. Ransom
    23. May 2013 at 14:47


    I’m curious what Steve will say to this, but as a fellow Cousins defender with him, i’ll say this: there are many types of head cases in the NBA. Guys like coleman, curry, kemp… they had bad off court habits, were “lazy” or had substance abuse issue, or both.

    Cousins isn’t that guy, as is evidenced even by some of his on-court outbursts, he is a super fiery competitor. Dude wants to kill the opponents. I like that. As i mentioned earlier that also described guys like Barkley.

  34. Jon in LA
    23. May 2013 at 15:18


    But to your point, guys drafted on athletic potential don’t have an awesome track record too.

    And my problem with raw numbers is when people start devaluing a player or overvaluing them over something like wingspan. I mean, how many plays involve standing completely still and spreading both arms out? Now, when you factor in ability to anticipate the other player, react, and grab a steal or rebound, those 4 inches spread out over two arms and a chest don’t seem as relevant.

    Can Olnyk play in the NBA or not? That’s the main question. I think we tend to look for answers to why or why we don’t think they can and we look at measurable things at a combine. Those numbers give us something to argue about and place value but should they really matter? GM’s are known to make stupid mistakes based off these things.

    But I think I might be drifting into Malcolm Gladwell type stuff and instead should just hope that Hinkie does his thing.

  35. Steve Toll
    23. May 2013 at 19:13


    I think the DMC trade stuff was all BS. BUT They would trade him for the right price……
    And In my opinion, the right price might be an impossible package


    Dario Saric: SHOT 40% from 2 in the ADRIATIC league this year, he shot 30% from 3 and 50% from the free throw line

    He has played well in the Croatian league but I’ll just assume its a large drop in competition.

    About DMC, everyone says the kid loves basketball, he just happens to be with the worst organization top to bottom in the NBA with no direction. He’s obviously unhappy, but things will change and he will be crushing in the near future. DMC LOVES BASKETBALL, Curry and Coleman didn’t.

    It doesn’t matter what sport it is, I’d prefer my guys to be locked up on the weekend instead of at church

    JON IN LA,

    The draft is a crapshoot of sorts, there is no great answer except if a freshman big is very good in college and was highly recruited in HS; DRAFT HIM

  36. Bill
    23. May 2013 at 19:26

    Noel will be the number 1 pick so that means Varejao, Zeller, Thompson would be their rotation. Could be a potential trade partner for us with Evan Turner. The 11th pick needs to be Michael Carter-Williams a more traditional PG who can guard SG’s and allow Holliday to become the focus scorer or Alex Len who reminds me of a poor mans Tim Duncan. Cody Zeller and C J McCollum would be poor draft choices Zeller too small and C J and Holliday as the back court is too small. Please no Bynum we do not need another banged up big man.

  37. Ransom
    24. May 2013 at 07:32


    This is getting very interesting. But first I’ll say that, if you look at the top 10 or top 20 nba players right now, vast majority have great “measurables”. Now, I’m not saying that that’s all you should draft based on, I’m just saying that in lieu of a perfectly translatable body of work (like the difference between college ball and NBA ball) athleticism does translate.

    Also, just like with any difficult decision process, people “hallucinate” differences that don’t actually matter in order to confirm/make their decision. The classic examples is job hiring and resumes. Say you have two identical resumes, except one had a 3.6 college GPA and one had a 3.65 GPA. The higher GPA gets that job every time, all other things being equal. That .05 likely makes no difference in actual ability to perform a job, but it helped make a decision easier, if arbitrarily.

    Same thing happens in the NBA. Can’t decide between two guys? Pick the one with better measurables, even its by like .5 inch wingspan or something trivial.

  38. Adam
    24. May 2013 at 10:26

    Toll, whats the dofference between the croatian league and the adriatic league? I have no clue… But i like the blanket numbers i see for the croatian league.

    Also, i just really like how skilled this kid is. Hes a point power forward… Taking ball handling duties off holiday from time to time, and from videos, his jumper looks clean. To me, saric looks like a high quality nba role player/ starter at the 4 if u hve a nice center who can play strong defensively and finish around the rim to compliment him.

    Also, from videos i really like that he doesnt seem to shy from contact.

  39. Jon in LA
    24. May 2013 at 13:24


    While I haven’t actually looked at the top players measurables, minus the Chris Paul is short and Durant can’t bench standouts, it would make sense that the best players have the best measurables. They also have the best basketball IQs, awareness, and everything else. That’s why they are the best. They have everything. But we’re not expecting our number 11 pick to be in the top 20. We’re looking for a solid starter.

    And I totally agree with you that the NBA, as well as any job hiring process really, uses these measurables. But my point is, Is that the right thing to do? Why do good players fall and bad players move up based on non-ingame basketball playing measurements? I think people rely on the, “Well, he SHOULD be good at doing it” rather than whether or not he was actually able to.

    To use your hiring metaphor, imagine having an employee that is doing great. He’s the best on your team and you want him to get a promotion. Then you find out he had 3.6 GPA instead of Rob, the guy that isn’t as good as him but turns out has a 3.65. Would you deny Rob the raise even though before seeing his transcript you thought he was the best employee?

    I agree, the lottery is usually a crap shoot (minus super standouts like Lebron). But thinking a guy can no longer play just because you finally measured his wingspan just doesn’t seem like a smart thing to do. But then again, MIKE MAMULA!!!

  40. Steve Toll
    24. May 2013 at 14:56


    You like that he doesn’t shy from contact, by love Jrue, who is arguably afraid of contact?

    Jon in LA,

    Always draft highly recruited guy who played well as a freshman, if possible

  41. Adam
    25. May 2013 at 12:23

    Toll, im not sure what ur point is…. First of all, i like jrue, i dont love him…. And the lack of contact thing should fix itself without collins controlling the offense around mid-range jumpers…. I hope… I dont think we really know what holiday is truley capable yet…. This next season is a year where if holiday continues to jack mid range jumpers instead of attacking the basket and leading the fast break, then we probably need to look to move him.

    Not sure why u posted the draft express page for saric… What were u trying to get me to look at? The scouting report was over a year old. I think hes going to be a really good player from the videos and stats o see. I love that hes a point pf, has great court vision and could be a very unique and valuable player in the nba… Hes my high upside pick at 11…. If u wanna play it safe, trade down and draft tim hardaway jr.

  42. Ransom
    25. May 2013 at 18:04


    We’re actually seeing the negative backlash of not promoting “Rob” and promoting the guy who was better at his given job. usually management requires a different set of skills than you excelled at to get you there. I’ve worked in plenty of restaurants where good cooks/servers became shitty managers and corporate jobs where good grunts became incapable of effectively leading/helping the underlings they inherited with promotion.

    That’s why companies like Google have it right: we don’t care about relevant experience, we just want smart people, more often than not they’ll figure it out and adapt because they’re smarter.

    In the NBA, “smart” equals “athletic” better chance (though clearly not certain) of teaching a freak athlete to play correctly than there is of teaching someone to be taller or jump higher.

  43. Steve Toll
    29. May 2013 at 01:34


    Tons of PGs have bad coaches and succeed; Westbrook, CP3, Deron, etc etc etc

    The time to trade Jrue is NOW, dude isn’t a top 15 PG and he could conceivably be packaged for the #1 pickwhiCH has a bunch of benefits.

    Look at Saric’s stats from 12-13 on that DX page.


    If Hinkie was smart enough to work at Google or Goldman Sachs, he would be there…

  44. Adam
    30. May 2013 at 12:39

    Im not opposed to trading holiday in the right deal… I dont see the rush. He has a lot pf value around the league, and we dont exactly have a suitable replacement right now.

    Moving turner, thad and hawes are much more important.

    I like saric, hes my pick at 11, hes playing good ball at a high level right now from what i read (havent seen the stats tho). And he just has more skills offensively than anyone who will be left on the board. And i think he could develop defensively since he doesnt seem to be “euro-soft”

    Who do u like at 11 over him? Zeller? Olynk? Shabazz? Adams? Gobert? Theyre all limited in some major way… U can make legit arguments for all of them at 11 and u can make legit arguments to avoid all of them as well, it just depends what ur looking for.

  45. Adam
    30. May 2013 at 12:42

    Also, jrue, to almost everyone except you, inside and outside of philly, is a top 10 pg.

    Sorry u disagree, but u are in a minority on that one… Your word isnt law bud.

  46. Steve Toll
    31. May 2013 at 13:27

    CP3, Westbrook, Parker, Conley, Deron, Rose, Lawson, Rondo, Curry, Hill, Wall, Irving.

    That’s 12 guys far and away above Jrue.

    Lowry, Calderon, Dragic, Walker are all better than Jrue.

    Jrue, Teague, Lin, Vasquez, Jennings are the next tier

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