PHILADUNKIA 4on4

Posted by: Philadunkia
06/17/13 11:33 am EST

It’s time for another edition of Philadunkia 4on4…

As a reminder, this Philadunkia question and answer series is “loosely based” on ESPN.com’s highly successful, NBA related series of posts titled “5on5″.  Our version of this genre of posts will ask 4 Philadunkia scribes to answer 4 topical, hot button questions about our Philadelphia 76ers.

Now you’re probably asking, “Why not simply stick with the “5on5″ format that ESPN.com uses?”

Well as any great hoops coach will tell you — playing 4on4 is the best way to truly learn the game of basketball.

After the jump four key questions that are currently facing our 76ers and some answers from four Philadunkia scribes.  Included in this week’s edition are questions surrounding the upcoming NBA Draft, the Sixers coaching search and what the Sixers should do in free-agency.

1. On a scale of 1-10, how frustrated have you been by the Sixers coaching search?

Jeff McMenamin:  8. It’s incredible that the Sixers have been without a coach since April 18 and yet little to no progress has been made in the candidate search. Other quality coaches are being swept away daily, while the pickings keep getting worse and worse for the 7-6. I don’t agree with going into the draft and potentially Summer League without a coach. The point of a draft is to find players that will fit a coaches gameplan on top of team needs. All signs point to Michael Curry taking over the reigns in the 2013-14 campaign.

Steve Toll:  0. It seems to me that Michael Curry is going to be the head coach next season.  Players win championships, not coaches and this team isn’t close to winning anything.  Sam Hinkie and Josh Harris had a plan in place at the time of his hiring.  I think this was part of the plan.

Michael Kaskey-Blomain:  8. I didn’t want them to rush into the search, but seeing all these candidates get snatched up by other teams is kind of disheartening. It seems counterproductive to get a coach after the draft when other roster moves could potentially be made.

Jake Fischer:  0. I’m not frustrated at all. Sam Hinkie has made it clear that the Sixers are going to find the team’s players before the coach and I like that approach. Yes, coaching is extremely important, despite what naive fans say. Look at this current NBA Finals: it’s a chess match. But, at the end of the day, a coach can only do so much and you need the players on the court to win ball games and perform. If the Sixers don’t hire a coach until Summer League, I wouldn’t be surprised nor upset.

2. DraftExpress.com has the Sixers taking Cody Zeller at #11, good or bad?

Jeff McMenamin:  Bad. I’ve watched Zeller play. The last thing the Sixers need is another soft big man filling the paint who thinks he has range. My current NBA player comparison to Zeller is a poor-man’s Nick Collison. He has an array of post moves that can make him successful around the rim, he’s knowledgeable and he’s money from the free-throw line but he’s severely lacking in athletic ability. At best he’s a high energy guy off the bench. Against the top big men in the NBA he doesn’t stand a chance. The Sixers should use #11 on a quality scorer such as Shabazz Muhammad and try to get back into the first-round for a athletically gifted project with size such as North Texas’ Tony Mitchell.

Steve Toll:  Good. Cody Zeller is going to be a legit NBA power forward.  He might not be a good one until he is 23/24/25 but that’s not a big deal.  It is perfectly in line with the improvement curve of players his size.  I’d be totally content with picking him at #11.  That would allow the 76ers to move Thaddeus Young to small forward, FULL-TIME. Zeller, Arnett Moultrie and Lavoy Allen can fight over the 48 minutes at power forward and throw in Spencer Hawes if Bynum is re-signed.

Michael Kaskey-Blomain:  Bad. They could get some size at a better value later in the draft.

Jake Fischer:  Bad, but not for the reason that most fans think. Zeller isn’t the sexy pick for Sixers fans, because members of Philadunkia nation automatically affiliate a white center with Spencer Hawes. It’s sad, but true. Honestly, having an athletic seven-footer that has tremendous lineage and professional work ethic is never a bad thing. I just think he would have a better impact as a role player on a contender or as a rebounder off the bench. I’d rather see the Sixers go for a two-guard and say goodbye to Evan Turner instead.

3. Rumors have swirled about the Sixers packaging their two second-round picks for a late first-rounder, good move?

Jeff McMenamin:  Definitely a good move. The second-round is a crapshoot. Why not take a shot at getting an extra first-rounder where at least history has shown a greater success rate? The Sixers needs are another scorer and a big man. The plan should be to take the best available at #11. There seems to be more quality scorers then big men at that pick. It would only make sense to try and trade back into the first-round for a chance at one of the three targets at the top of Hinkie’s big man wish list.

Steve Toll:  It all depends on who they draft and how the trade would affect the future in trying to receive a late first-round pick.  It’s really tough to make that prediction right now.

Michael Kaskey-Blomain:  Depending on what they do with the pick at #11 it could be a good one. If they were to use the 11th on the best available/scorer, and then get some size later in the first-round then it may be favorable for them.

 Jake Fischer:  I’ve heard some rumors from a few NBA scouts that the Sixers are interested in packaging Evan Turner and their 11th pick to move up and nab a guard, maybe C.J. McCollum. But, with Sam Hinkie at the helm of the Sixers’ board room on June 27, absolutely nothing would shock me. I’m so optimistic about the Hinkie-led front office that I’ll take anything the team does on draft night as a good move.

4. Who do you see the Sixers going after in free-agency, not named Andrew Bynum?

Jeff McMenamin:  This is a tough question to answer until after the draft, but if the Sixers don’t lock up Bynum to a deal then they absolutely need to find a quality big man who can rebound and defend in his place. I don’t want the team to go after Al Jefferson, Josh Smith or J.J. Hickson, but It’s worth a shot for Hinkie to work some magic and try to work a trade for Thomas Robinson on Houston. I’d also be a fan of the team going after veteran scorer’s with a cheap price tag such as Stephen Jackson or even checking to see what Tracy McGrady has left in the tank.

Steve Toll:  If the 76ers don’t sign  Bynum, I’d like to see them go after guys like Dorell Wright, Jose Calderon, Matt Barnes, Chris “Birdman” Anderson and Ronnie Brewer.

Michael Kaskey-Blomain:  Although I think that the Sixers should keep the offseason signing to a minimum in order to keep the cap open for the future, I could see the team pursuing a frontcourt option. There will be several of them on the market, and assuming they don’t re-sign Andrew Bynum they will desperately need some depth there.

 Jake Fischer:  After the Draft, we’ll have a much clearer idea on what the Sixers front office thinks the team needs to add to their young nucleus of Jrue Holiday and Thaddeus Young. I just go to sleep praying that they won’t offer near-max money to Al Jefferson or Josh Smith. Those are players they should have looked to add several years ago, not now.

 
 
 

23 Responses to “PHILADUNKIA 4on4”

  1. Alex Hootan
    17. June 2013 at 12:54

    What do you guys think of Michael Curry as coach for sixers now, Good? Bad , Long term? Short term?? Whom did they missed on?
    Most Mocks say Zeller will be gone before 11th. Who would you pick at 11? What about Brazilian Bebe?
    Should this pick accumulate draft pick for the next few seasons?

  2. ken
    17. June 2013 at 13:44

    if the rockets end up getting howard this offseason what kind of trade do you think would be needed to grab asik and robinson if we haven’t traded for him already and would you want to get those 2 players. I don’t like the idea of trading our two 2nd round picks for a late 1st rounder since apparently what the rockets can/did when hinkie was there is find talent in the 2nd round id be more inclined to trade players into the late first round so we can shed more cap and have more controllable rookie contracts which is what toll is always raving that we need

  3. Adam
    17. June 2013 at 18:38

    ken, we wouldnt want asik…. at 8mil hes just a cap drain.

    id trade our 2 first rd pics for robinson since houston doesnt want to take on salary.

    as for curry…. i dont like it, but i really dont care whos coaching right now as long as the mid range jumpers stop.

  4. George
    17. June 2013 at 19:26

    I have to agree with ken, makes sense to try and shed contracts. I don’t know how that would happen but I’m all for it. I have heard everything from Zeller to Adams to Muscala to foreign players whose names I won’t butcher… All I want is some group of talent accumulation on this team. I don’t see a problem whatsoever with Curry, but it’d be neat to see some sort of offensive mind in here as well

  5. Steve Toll
    17. June 2013 at 21:13

    Alex Hootan,

    Curry is a 1 yr stop gap, that is all.

    Ken,

    The 76ers have pretty much no assets to acquire those 2 players. For instance, they supposedly want future 1st rd picks for Robinson. Asik could easily be shipped to for a better deal than anything Philly could offer.

    Adam,

    Asik counts 5.5/15 against the cap the next 2 seasons. HOU wants future picks for Robinson. Phillys picks this year are 11,35,42 and those would be salary this year.

  6. EJ
    17. June 2013 at 22:26

    Draft the BPA at #11,and if that player is Shabazz Muhammad so be it,the Sixers can always use an athletic 6’6″ 225lb SF/SG who is a natural scorer.

  7. ken
    18. June 2013 at 12:59

    EJ
    with the way Muhammad has been dropping for the last month I don’t see us drafting him at 11.

    Steve
    the rockets aren’t going to get multiple first rounder picks for robinson so that dream will eventually come to reality and their asking price will come down to an average asking price but at least we should try to get robinson when the rockets asking price goes down when everyone calls them crazy for wanting multiple first round picks

    Adam
    why would you trade 2 first round picks for robinson? yea he was a top 5 pick but he hasent proved anything yet hell he only played 15 min a game last season. we will see soon what he gets traded for but im tellin you it wont be 2 first rounders

  8. Jeff McMenamin
    18. June 2013 at 13:48

    Steve,

    On the contrary, Shabazz has risen on draft boards in the past month. He’s pick #9 on DraftExpress…
    http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/

    And pick #8 on NBADraft.net…
    http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_mock_drafts/consensus

    Getting him at #11 at this point would be a steal.

    As for Robinson…I don’t know what it would take to get him, but Hinkie obviously has the relationship there with the Rockets. Trading Hawes and our two second-rounders for him might be enough.

  9. Steve Toll
    18. June 2013 at 14:45

    Ken,

    I shouldve phrased that better, HOU wants his salary off the books and wants a future pick for him. The 76ers have nothing to offer in the future.

    Jeff,
    Shabazz might be a good pick, but since I abhor college ball, I really don’t know. He just smells like SwaggyP to me.

    HOU isn’t taking on additional salary for Robinson, they want to clear his $ off the books for a run at a bigger fishfish

  10. Aamir
    18. June 2013 at 17:24

    Just wanted to drop by and give my thoughts on question #4, Steve Toll is exactly right in who to go after, at least in terms of the type of players. As a point guard, from experience, (I’m 14 and have been playing organized ball since i was 7) it is waaay easier playing with another guard who can handle and pass the rock, and that’s what a guy like Jrue needs. Calderon isn’t BETTER than Jrue, but would take a huge load off in handling the rock and passing. GSW uses this with Jarrett Jack and Steph Curry (Jrue can’t shoot like Steph, but is bigger and stronger), and that would be great. Energy big men and rebounders are (or at leads SHOULD BE welcome, especially after watching this season. Barnes is a bit old, but guys who can play defense are key in building an identity, especially if Michael Curry or Brian Shaw gets hired (but who knows at this point), the team will likely be a defense first.

  11. Jon
    18. June 2013 at 21:43

    I’m not frustrated even slightly by the Sixers not having hired a coach yet. Hinkie wants to draft players to fit his purposes, and then a coach who will mesh well with those players.

    Steve, I don’t understand your theory about how Hinkie and whoever the coach will be are going to be fired soon. Joshua Harris is the man making that call and he’s made it clear that he’s long term success oriented and he will be able to handle a few losing seasons if that’s what happens.

    I hope the Sixers hire Chris Finch, he’s from the Rockets organization, has coached a team to a D-League championship, he’s coached overseas, he’s from the area, and I like his offensive strategy. Michael Curry could stay in his role of defensive coordinator.

  12. ken
    18. June 2013 at 22:29

    steve since we don’t have anything to offer for the future would the rockets take the 11th and 35th for robinson? they would still get the first rounder they want and an early second and save money from the exchange and we would get a better big man then anyone we could have drafted at 11 then hopefully we can trade turner for a late first rounder and grab hardaway jr

  13. Steve Toll
    19. June 2013 at 01:03

    Aamir,

    Thanks for reading but as someone who is 30 years older than youand lives in a mansion (it’s my parents and I live in the basement)… Calderon> Jrue.
    All your other points are spot on.

    Jon,

    A good coach understands the strengths/weakness’ of his players and adepts. I believe MC will be the coach next year and then the team will find a long term replacement. It would be interesting to know the details in Hinkie’s deal.
    Don’t really know all the much about Chris Finch.
    The CBA pretty much says this team is screwed, gonna take a miracle which I don’t think Bynum will produce.

    Ken,

    HOU seems to want future picks, but 11+35 might do it….. The problem is…..
    Robinson played behind the Morris brothers at Kansas and those 2 aren’t exactly world beaters so far in their young careers. Robinson just might suck.
    Evan Turner is toxic, he’s Untradeable for anything of value.

  14. Toady
    19. June 2013 at 10:50

    While I have nothing against Curry, I’m hoping for a change in scenery at coach and a younger guy to grow with. Shaw, Hunt or Fizdale would be nice.

    Kind of hoping we are able to get KCP in the draft. I think he and Jrue would be comparable to Curry/ Thompson in their ability to impact a game (obviously in a little different way).

    Also hoping for a little trade action.
    Try this:
    Thad, Spence, Lavoy, Rodney Stuckey and #11 to Portland
    Wesley Mathews, Evan and #10 to Detroit
    LaMarcus Aldridge, Meyers Leonard, Vicotr Claver, Kyle
    Singler and #8 to us.

    FA’s to sign:
    Timofey Mozgov (poor man’s Asik, better D)
    back-up PG- Jarret jack, Devin Harris, CJ Watson, etc.

  15. ken
    19. June 2013 at 17:36

    toady
    that trade will never happen how are the sixers going to get the best player and the best pick in the trade this is like the Bynum trade of last year but we would be the lakers in giving up basically nothing and getting the best player.

    steve
    there is the possibility that he will suck but I still believe that he will be better than any other big we can draft at 11 if the team is determined to draft a big man at 11 instead of the best player available and I believe zeller will be gone before 11 in which case id prob just keep both picks and take him

  16. Steve Toll
    19. June 2013 at 22:20

    Toady,

    That trade is crazyyyyy and Mozgov totally sucks at anything over a min salary deal

    Ken,

    HOU wants to clear his whole salary

  17. Wilfred Y. Mccoy
    19. June 2013 at 23:07

    Some Philly.com readers agreed with the following approach to the 76ers off-season, while some others did not. Check out the original article on Pattison Ave. “Although there are no shortcuts to success in the NBA, there are several steps that the 76ers could take this summer to return to relevancy starting next season. A team transformation won’t happen overnight, but a combination of smart drafting and sound signings could greatly expedite the Sixers’ climb back to the East’s elite. The first step for the Sixers’ return to relevancy is to cut ties with all of the players who have expiring contracts this summer, including Andrew Bynum.

  18. Steve Toll
    20. June 2013 at 12:44

    Wilfred,

    Last off season is a proof that a team transformation can happen overnight

  19. George
    21. June 2013 at 19:37

    As long as these fantasy scenarios keep being offered how about signing Hickson to a reasonable contract, starting line up being

    Pg Holiday Sg Turner Sf Young Pf Hickson C Hawes

    Second unit: Bynum ( FA Detroit ), Richardson, Wright, Allen, Moultrie, Zeller/Adams ( draft ) Ivey, Brown, and whatever are second rounders are ( Siva and Muscala or Nogeira )

    Not world beaters by any stretch, but you can actually see defined roles in the roster if not truly enough shooters

  20. bearsfriend
    22. June 2013 at 09:41

    Regarding the coach, it’s embarrassing…Obviously, the Harris/Hinkie marriage is on the cheap on this search, as no legitimate NBA coach caring about legacy or rep will burden themselves where this team’s roster currently lies…Additionally, the analytics thing will require a “follower”. Normally, player acquisitions hinge on the team’s playing style/identity, yet this team has no coach, so obviously the team will play the way Hinkie directs the either familiar faces (Finch,Sampson) to him, or the familiar face to the old roster in Michael Curry, with maybe Aaron McKie picking up needed experience in the Summer League and then the Delaware 87ers (should be destroyers)…Curry’s got to be the safety valve to Finge, as the Sixers let him interview for the Bucks job, before getting beat out by Larry Drew.

  21. bearsfriend
    22. June 2013 at 09:46

    Foillowing Sam Hinkie and the Rockets a little bit, the Sixers will be looking for players who will have the ability to continue to get better as pros, guys with IQ and work ethic to do the little things that don’t always show up on a stat sheet…and of course, have the ability for offensive efficiency. (Ability to run the floor,deflections,contesting shots,taing charges,properly timing screens,rebounding %’s all may come into play)…..Players with those intangibles in this Draft are…Oladipo,Zeller,Plumlee,Olynyk,Adams,Hardaway Jr,Larkin, Canaan,Muscala….Anyone looking at Zeller as JUST a low post option is a fool, his Combine measurements prove his ability to run the floor,guard the perimeter,and finish easily above the rim in transition.

  22. Chris
    24. June 2013 at 15:43

    I think moving Thad to the 3 full time would be an absolute disaster. As much as I absolutely love the guy, he cannot dribble. I don’t have any advanced stats to back my observations, but when the guy puts the ball on the floor, he’s a turnover machine (and not talking about the tasty apple variety).

  23. Steve Toll
    24. June 2013 at 19:24

    George,

    After Wright is resigned, the 76ers won’t likely be able to afford Hickson.

    Bearsfriend,

    99.9% of player acquisitions are to the highest bidder. Hinkie is nothing special and fans of the city will come to find that out soon enough

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